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Is Ben Redeemable?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by The Last Deadeye, Dec 15, 2017.

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Will Ben be redeemed?

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  2. No

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  3. It's not that clear cut

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  4. ...clouded, the future is

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    Will it? I don't think he will be some evil dictator because he seems to loathe that. He wanted to rule WITH Rey.
    He will bring what he sees as freedom.
    What that might entail, I do not exactly know.

    But he will see what he does as the right thing.
     
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    I was thinking about the Kylo Ren as a supreme leader a lot. Everything will depends on his state of mind - and of course Hux - who seems to me more into brutal dictator thing than Kylo ever was. I'am not so sold on the notion that Kylo's ultimate ambition was to became the SL. It seemed to me like a decision in a moment with lot of rage (because Rey refused his offer) and the consequence of his past rivalry with Hux.
    I'am really interested to see how this will play out.
     
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    True, but the reason Rey turned him down was because he was still going to destroy the rest of the Resistance. And all for some "kill the past" nonsense that he seems to have adopted as his philosophy. I'd agree that he probably won't be some evil dictator, but I think his intentions could still bring about horrible results.

    Agreed. Not sure if Hux will try a coup, or continue being a doormat, but as long as Kylo has power I think he'll be at least able to keep Hux's psychopathic ideas in check.
     
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    He sees them as a disturbance. How can people have balance when THOSE people exist. He thinks he's bringing balance. He thinks it's freeing.
    Of course they would be horrible. That's not the issue. The issue is, does he think it's right, which he does.
    His decisions will almost always be bad.
     
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    Right, I don't disagree.

    I'm just saying, he still is working against the Rebels/Resistance, and clearly of his own accord. I think that may hurt his chances at redemption, regardless of intent.

    That being said, I don't see him going to the tactics of the Empire before him, with terror and superweapons. So, that's one advantage he has, I guess.
     
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    Oh his redemption is incredibly unlikely to anyone but Rey.
    She's the only one he can be redeemed to.

    And even then, the significance of that door closing....
     
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    You can bet money that he will be redeemed (mainly because of his sentiments for Rey), Hux will try to kill him to become the Supreme Leader.
     
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    this is the million dollar question. Ben has serious control issues, but, he also got into this thing because he actually legitimately wants order in the galaxy.
    we'll see the rubber hit the road between his ideals and his ability to actually handle the situation in ix.

    my prediction is that he can't handle it with Hux and the FO fighting the whole way, and i imagine he'll get deposed rather quickly.
     
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    Seeing this text makes me feel the way Jyn or Leia probably feel when they talk about hope. =) Now... I have hope. THANK YOU for posting this!
     
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    Pretty strong foreshadowing going in the novel. We'll see if that plays out in episode IX. "Rebellions are built on hope" and the quickest way to end the war and the First Order is turning Ben Solo.
     
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    He sure can be redeemed. Anyone and everyone can.
    But should he?
    If Kylo Ren is redeemed, what message does the film sends to the audience?
    It's okay to kill anyone and everyone as long as you are related to someone important?
     
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    That despite the past you're not beyond transformation - it's never too late to embrace the light?
     
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    What if Kylo is actually a good king? He restores order and peace throughout the galaxy, punishes the minds and leaders that created and used SKB, reaches out to the Republic and is welcomed. The resistance is more or less non existant at this point, and the Republic sees Kylo's offer as the best one available. Then they are pleasantly surprised that he's actually fair and kind (at least when he's not trashing his room). Kylo trades in Hux and all those responsible for the building and use of SKB to a tribunal in exchange for a pardon for himself and the rest of the FO, who will be incorporated into the Republic forces.

    Kylo successfully petitions that he should be spared because he was under the influence of Snoke. So Kylo becomes King of both the Republic and FO, then the resistance becomes a terrorist cell. Of course Rey, Leia and company know this can't last, that Kylo is unstable and will eventually lose it, but they can't get near him. On the run and desperate, they reach out to more nefarious organizations to unseat the would be king.

    Or something like that. Of course Luke trolls him into madness, and eventually Rey has to take the role of king slayer. It would be a twist on things.
     
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    that everyone--even the son of heroes and royalty, and obscenely strong in the Force--can make mistakes, be led astray, fall victim to predators, and wind up in the darkest of dark places, but still rise again? that being angry and disappointed and frustrated and confused is not fatal?

    i actually can't think of a message our young people need more right now.
     
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    Darth Vader was redeemed. People seem to forget that. This evil monster did one good thing and suddenly everything is a okay with Obi-Wan and Yoda. Heck, they even made him younger to show proud they were of him. As if what did later on in life doesn't matter. Ben's actions are no were comparable to what Anakin did.
     
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    Furthermore Ben's/Ren's action are much more personal. => Killing Han Solo. How many people in the galaxy know who Han Solo actually is? How many people do know who Kylo Ren is? It's much easier for him to get redeemed than Vader, that's for sure.
     
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    Rian Johnson liked this tweet, here's the message to children.
     
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    *grumpy Han voice* 12!

    No one knows that Kylo is Ben. So... it doesn't matter really.
     
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