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SPECULATION Is Darth Plagueis Snoke's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Xeven, Jan 20, 2017.

  1. Xeven

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    He knows the dark side.
    He looks like he is a cross between a Human and a Munn.
    He would have been alive throughout Sideous reign.
    He would be around the right age.

    I think it is solved. Snoke is Darth Plagueis son!
     
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    One tantalizing quote from Revenge of the Sith could help push this theory along:

    "He had such a knowledge of the Dark Side, he could even keep the ones he cared about... from dying."
    Snoke does have that certain look.

    And then one could imagine Snoke perhaps avenging his father's betrayal and demise by eventually taking over the remnants of the Empire but perhaps going further to embrace a far more nihilistic approach to all Force-wielders.

    Well, there are many Snoke theories now. Perhaps one or more has stumbled upon a truth to be revealed.

    I'm open-minded at this point and merely hope whatever Snoke is will be intriguing and worthy of his placement in this trilogy.
     
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    Perhaps he hid his son from his apprentices by keeping him out past the outer rim worlds...
     
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    Snoke = Darth Vader's brother...

    ...I'll take that!

    #PlagueisConfirmed
     
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    Someone can confirm that the background music here is the same that we hear with Snoke ?

     
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    This is a modified version of Emperor's theme from Return of the Jedi. They sound similar since both are dedicated for an evil figure hiding in the shadows.
     
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    Isn't Snoke as old as....history? If anything, Plagueis was HIS son. Unless Plagueis was very old too.....
     
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    Ah, so now we are waiting to learn Snoke's parentage! :p
     
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    Snoke's parentage? That's easy...Revan. Revan married Shan and sank into obscurity when she gave birth to SNOKE.
     
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    OK,so now I'm taking shots that Chewbacca is Bendu's son!

    Jeez,does every character have to be related :D I remember Serkis saying it's a completely new character.
     
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    I'd say it's more likely that Snoke is Plagueis' 2nd cousin twice removed, but only by marriage. :p
     
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    Where did you get the idea he's as old as history?
     
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    Watch the scene where Sidous turns Anakin to the dark side he talks in two voices one sounds like Snoke!
     
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    My serious answer to the title of this thread is no. Plagueis is not Snokes father an there is absolutely no evidence in favor of it.

    That being said. Some of the more humorous posts on this topic are really good.
     
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    That was a figure of speech.... I meant "very very old" :)
     
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    Don't be silly. Snoke is really 'Snoke Skywalker', Shmi's original owner who gave her the Skywalker name before losing her in a bet with Watto. He's been trying to get the Skywalkers back ever since...
     
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    I would be shocked if Snoke says ''Plagueis the Wise, he was my father''.
     
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    Cousins. Of the kissing type.
     
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    Snoke IS Plagueis. No doubt in my mind, ignore the misinformation.

    I say that with assurity. I will cite my analysis in another thread:

    Today I present the case that indeed Snoke is Darth Plagueis based upon evidence. It is for you to decide ultimately, but for me, I have indeed decided that Snoke is indeed, Darth Plagueis.

    How did I come to this conclusion? I will present my evidence.

    First piece of speculative evidence:

    During ComicCon before the Force Awakens was released, a fan asked a specific question about Plagueis.

    In the clip, after the question is abruptly asked, there is a brief pause. As if JJ and Lawrence Kasdan are deciding how to answer.

    First, we need to note psychological evidence here.

    First you hear Daisy Ridley speak, to which she says "Aaaaah is that Sn-" to which JJ immediately clears his throat abruptly stopping Daisy from proceeding further, and turns it over to Kasdan. Speculatively I believe Daisy was going to say "Aaaaah is that Snoke.", in innocent fashion.

    JJ could have simply answered this question with a simple "no". However he did not do that, he diverted the question to Kasdan, as if not wanting to answer the question.

    Next note Kasda's response to the question. He deflected the question by pretending to not understand who he was asking about. Also making it apparent he did not want to answer the question.

    But why not simply answer no if Snoke is NOT Plagueis?

    Because they both know Snoke IS Plagueis.

    Also note after JJ Abrams gets the question again, this time he becomes dismissive. He obviously does not want to spoil the Sequel trilogy with the huge question, therefor immediately and abruptly says "No" and moves on.

    Damning evidence that Plagueis is Snoke. You can see from the clip below the evidence.



    More speculative evidence, the motives of Disney as a whole:

    It is in my opinion, that Disney intends, as many others contend, to desire to tie Episodes 1-6 to the sequel naturally. To do so, making a character out or thin air, a new villan, makes no sense. The object of another villan was setup and readied in Revenge of the Sith. It becomes a case of "pick up the ball and throw it" (also sticking with something familiar, ready to use) or "make an entirely new ball and throw it".

    I base this speculative evidence, upon popular opinion of Disney's motives.

    Further evidence:



    More evidence:

    The music is the same from Ep3 and the Snoke scenes.

    Onto the counter arguements:

    • Physical differences of Snoke to a Munn:

    - A valid arguement. However, given we know very little about Plagueis and his complete abilities, it is too soon to say just because he does not appear Muun, this is not Plagueis. Going into speculation, he could have been biologically reconfigured at some point, or used the force to switch carriers, and Palpatine ASSUMED he killed the actual Plagueis.

    Because the possibilities as so vast, we can safely assume just because Snoke is not appearingly Muun this does not rule out the fact that, this is not Plageuis.

    • Pablo Hidalgo completely debunking this idea:

    - I disagree. Misinformation is a vital component to keeping secured information for sakes of revenue, nostalgia, and general secret keeping. It is my professional opinion, his statement is absolutely false.

    *****

    There you have it. You have why I believe Snoke to be, Darth Plagueis. My mind is made up, and hoping based upon the evidence I presented, while speculative, is compelling enough for you to draw the same conclusion.

    I have thought long and hard on this, and if you have any other evidence to support the Darth Plagueis theory, please feel free to reply.

    "May the Force be with you"
     
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    I think Disney is basically cherry picking using other names so they don't have to commit to the lore. The characters are similar. I will be surprised if they actually bring Plagueis to the sequel trilogy.
     
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