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Is Disney Already Planning to Bring a CG Leia to the Big Screen for Episode IX?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: Episode IX' started by SWNN Probe, Jan 12, 2017.

  1. SWNN Probe

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    <div data-tooltip='January 11, 2017 at 8:30:47 AM UTC-5'][​IMG]</div>
    <div data-tooltip='January 11, 2017 at 8:30:47 AM UTC-5']BBC Newsnight aired last night with a piece about CG characters in movies, including a decent bit about those appearing in Rogue One. In the program, it is revealed that Disney is already in talks with the estate of Carrie Fisher about her continued presence in the Star Wars franchise.</div>



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    Unfortunately, the video is only available to folks in the UK. If you can count yourself among this group, then check out the video here and fast forward to about the 30 minute mark for the pertinent information.</div>

    <div data-tooltip='January 11, 2017 at 8:31:07 AM UTC-5']If you are unable to watch the video, never fear, here is a quote from the piece confirming that Disney is in talks with Fisher's estate:</div>
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    Although I am tempted to jump the gun here, I am reminded that just because they are negotiating with her estate about using her likeness in future films - that doesn't necessarily mean they will use her as a featured character in the saga ahead. She could be regulated to cameos or holographic appearances. However, if Disney/LFL decides to take this approach, this could mean some pretty significant re-writes as it has already been hinted at by Episode IX director Colin Trevorrow that Leia would have a much larger role in IX.  So what if the creators decide that they want to move forward with the story they had planned? Could the men and women at ILM pull it off? Should they even attempt it?
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    In whatever capacity they intend to utilize her likeness, it seems pretty clear that Disney/LFL is not yet ready to say their last goodbyes to the beloved Princess General. But is it too soon for a CG Leia to hit the big screen in Episode IX? Should the creators take the more subtle approach and write her out of the story, or should they finish the story that they intended to tell from the beginning and allow ILM to really earn that third letter in their name? If they do decide to bring Leia back to life with their magical computer generated sorcery, it will no doubt be the most monumental task ever thrust upon an effects team.  Let us know what you think about this in the comments below.

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    Special thanks to our friend Alex Fraser for the heads up.





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    They would be taking a huge risk if they are able to use a CG Leia. Especially if they would happen to stay course with her having a prominent role. No matter how well done it is they're bound to be criticized for doing it. That also will likely happen if they just used her likeness for holograms or her being written out of the story or being used very little. Get ready Disney. MTFBWY
     
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    No matter what they do they will be criticized. There's not a clear cut answer, honestly.
     
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    We know that Leia is/was supposed to have a larger role in VIII and IX and I would honestly rather they just went ahead and did the CG Leia because I actually think it is a huge honor and sign of respect to the actor/actress not some tasteless thing. They already have the script and the trilogy has been mapped out for a while so I think it would only hurt the film to quickly do massive changes, they can work around it somewhat by giving some of her stuff to other characters, for instance any Resistance-leading stuff can be given to Ackbar or Statura(Ken Leong) but in general if they can do it as well or better than Tarkin was, which given the amount of time they have would hopefully be very doable, and hope for the best. This is a clear case of a Kobayashi Maru, and either situation will be criticized.
     
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    That's basically been the same issue that Star Wars has been operating on since ROTJ.

    I know that there are a lot of people thinking that it's "too soon" to consider this sort of thing, but bear in mind - they've already thought out a lot of what they want to do with the franchise in advance. They're planning things out on multiple levels and this worst-case scenario is one of the things that they've surely planned for. But even then, they're going to need time to implement those plans once something like this happened, and that's what's going on now.

    They'll be respectful of Carrie Fisher's memory one way or the other. That's not the problem here. It's just that Disney isn't in the best of positions whichever way they choose to go with this.
     
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    I agree with many of you: Disney is in a highly awkward situation, and considering what they just pulled off in RO, I'd be surprised if these talks weren't occurring. As we know from documentaries and Cushing's CGI facial construction, that was something that took years to develop and instigate.

    My worry here is that, at this time, I don't think enough could have possibly been said and thought of to justify these talks. It makes sense that they began...but I hate to think that they've already stressed their creative limits. I think that there are certainly other ways to pull this off. I trust them with handling Leia, and Carrie, with utmost respect: after all, they asked if they could spend their own millions on digitally recreating Cushing.

    But then that could be another problem: the cost. If I recall, Rogue One was given a budget of ~$200 million. Now, I know how hard ILM worked at the CGI facial reconstructions, and I wouldn't dare hold that against them: if Lucas had been at the helm, I would be surprised if he didn't try to do the same thing! But rather, my problem is that such focus on such a difficult task would be rather taxing on both the work force and the budget, and I think this shows in some of the wide landing shots of ships in Rogue One, specifically that of Krennic's shuttle landing on Lahmu and SW-0608 landing on Scarif. So, if they were to go ahead with this, in all likelihood, and Leia were to play a large role, this could easily become the most expensive SW film produced to date.

    I trust Disney, LFL, ILM: everyone. As cited before, though, I think there are other ways to work around this recent tragedy, whether it be by adjusting the story or timeline slightly. MTFBWY Disney et al.
     
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    Keep in mind, the movie won't be coming out for another couple years. plenty of time for people to mourn and by then, when she is actually on screen, people will probably be fine with it.
    Plus they have much more time at this point to pull it off even better than R1.
     
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    I absolutely hated CGI Tarkin & Leia as it just doesn't sit well with me for some reason. I felt the same way when Lucas inserted Hayden over Sebastian Shaw as a Force Ghost.

    I'd rather they write her out in Episode 9 and give her a death offscreen. Have it in the Crawl and start the movie with Rey/Luke & Resistance at her funeral.

    I just think this CGI actors is going to open up a can of worms in the future as it will always be something that will split the fanbase.
     
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    The technology would have improved greatly between R1 and IX and body doubles could also be used.
     
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    I'll star by admitting I am fully on board with keeping whatever script they have for IX intact (as much as possible or necessary), and using technology or FX voodoo, or The Force to keep Carrie Fisher in the movie. Now, let me throw something crazy at the wall.

    I recall the rumor that Leia is gravely injured in VIII, and possibly in a coma. True? Who knows. But...what if she were also horribly disfigured, and a scene inserted of a facial prosthetic being implanted near the end of the film. This would go a long way to explain away what could be occasionally hinky CG, and with clever writing could be acknowledged in the script for IX. I now submit myself to your blaster fire.

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    I was actually thinking that they could do something to this effect - have part of her face covered by a breather or something for a portion of her screentime.
     
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    Exactly. This is Star Wars. Get creative. They're always replacing body parts/augmenting with tech. Could actually be cool with both her and luke now sharing mechanical traits with Vader. Also, thanks for the reply Pomjema...been lurking since the Starwars7news days.
     
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    They could just have Leia go to the Dark side and wear a Female Vader Type armor. Leia has had more bad happen in her life than most anyone and if anyone may get tired of the First Order and decide to go all Dark vigilante on their asses it would be Leia.

    A Sith need not side with the First Order. A Sith Lord could if they wanted support the resistance and Republic. The old Sith order and agenda died with Palpatine.
     
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    They definitely need her family to agree to use her image for merchandise purposes. In terms of using her face for CG recreation - it might be part of the deal. Is it? We need to wait and see.
     
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    Regardless of what they end up doing, I only hope they don't write the character out in order to avoid all the hassle to make this work. That would be the easy route, but not necessarily the best one, IMHO.
    Is CG Leia the solution for Ep. IX? I don't know. Recast? Less probable (and even less effective, perhaps.) Then you also have ethics issue, though people will criticise and complain whatever the decision. I just pray they do justice to Carrie and her character. That they find the way to make Leia continue in the saga without diminishing the effect she might have in the story. It would be unfair to just erase Leia feom the saga, Carrie's creation deserves the greatest send off possible.
     
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    Carrie Fisher's passing was one of the last and most devastating losses in a year where several legends of popular culture left us, and as such it's raised numerous questions about where the Star Wars Sequel Trilogy will go without her. While there have been rumors that Lucasfilm has been discussing the matter with Carrie Fisher's estate, a representative of Disney has commented that these rumors are not true (though this does not necessarily rule out the possibility of Leia appearing in Episode IX).





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    Still, denials come pretty cheap in the business of Hollywood, so I think it's worth re-evaluating what we do know. For starters, we know that Carrie Fisher had already completed her work on Episode VIII, so there will probably not be any need to create a CGI double of the actress akin to what they did with Oliver Reed in Gladiator. We also know that Lucasfilm already has the rights to use Fisher's likeness, as evident in the closing scene of Rogue One, and Fisher herself joked many times about George Lucas and his company effectively owned her appearance to the point where she'd have to pay them to look in the mirror. Another thing that we know about is that the creative heads of Lucasfilm have recently convened to figure out what to do with Leia going forward. So while they may not have officially contacted Carrie Fisher's estate as of yet, it's likely that it will be on the cards - obviously not for Episode VIII, but for Episode IX.



    The matter of how Leia is going to factor into Episode IX after what's happened is definitely going to be one that Lucasfilm is going to have to officially address soon, even if they can't really get into the specifics without giving away the plot of the next two movies. But right now, they can certainly make plans on how they're going to give Leia and the wonderful person who played her the send-off they deserve. However they go about doing that will be a hard decision to make, but rest assured that Carrie Fisher's memory will be honored for the remainder of the Sequel Trilogy.



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    The official Star Wars website has just made it explicitly clear what their plans for the future are with the following statement:
    So this means that Episode VIII will be the swan song for the character, at least as far as Carrie Fisher's portrayal of her goes. There are still ways that they could integrate her story into Episode IX if her presence will still be needed (such as hiring another actress to play the character, or to use body doubles and a sound-alike to portray the character from a distance), but it appears as though the Tarkin route they took with Rogue One will be the exception and not the rule.



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    Sooner or later, they'll have to adress the issue of usage of Carrie's likeness as Leia Organa, because of importance of the character and her possible future appearances in merchandise and non-movie materials, like video games or TV shows. This post gave me some hope that if Lucasfilm decides to use Leia in Episode IX, their PR department will inform us on whatever plans they do have for her character. Celebration is coming in three months, maybe then we'll get some more solid info on that matter?

    PS. http://www.starwars.com/news/a-statement-regarding-new-rumors
    This is quite an interesting statement. No CG Leia in Episode IX.
     
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    Interesting... Hmmmm, the dark side clouds everything - impossible to see, the future is. (Disney are the dark side):D

    What does everyone else think they should do for episode 9 now that Carrie is no longer with us?:(
     
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    Two similar threads merged.

    I'll be really disappointed if we end up getting a "Leia died on the way back to her home planet" send-off.
     
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