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SPECULATION Is legends root of the divide?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by Sparafucile, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. Sparafucile

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    @Jaxxon wrote a great thread titled "What Lucasfilm got wrong about fandom".

    This thread was inspired by that one, but I think goes in a different direction, and I think the title will be more reflective of that.

    I keep hearing fan expectations as the root of the divide. I've always disagreed, at least based on my experience, but after reading Jaxxon's thread, I think I found the root of my rejection of the ST (TLJ in particular).

    I think it's Legends, the relegation of the EU as obsolete, non canon, never to be seen on the big screen.

    I wasn't the most vocal when they announced it years ago now, but I think it set up what we have today. I was more than willing to give them a chance to tell a great SW story, but I have to admit, they shortened their leash with that announcement. My thoughts as I remember them was something along "Ignore the EU better be worth it.".

    So I think I figured it out, that is the root of my dislike for the ST. The ST, TLJ in particular, but the whole of it really, is like the EU. Some great elements, but just as flawed in its story telling and useless arcs. It's more flawed than the Thrawn trilogy imo, and likely more flawed than Jedi Accademy. I'd say it's about on par with the Vong series. The Vong series was divisive.

    So for me, none of the other excuses, accusations, theories about why fans hated the ST or TLJ, ever applied. But now that I think about it, for me, I think it's essentially ignoring a couple decades worth of story telling, good and bad, and having the hubris to think they can write and produce a series with only 2 years or so or think and planning that will match or do justice to the saga.

    And I'm bewildered, 2/3's in, why that decision was made when looking at what we got so far.

    From ideas to representation, the EU had it all. No dramatic changes were needed. Moreover, the stories of the EU were months or years ahead of what we've had in the ST (obviously my opinion). They'd been discussed and dissected for a decade or two. We mostly knew and agreed on what worked and what didn't. rewriting this would have been far easier than starting from scratch, alienating a tiny minority, and putting a larger portion of the rest on guard or ruffling feathers.

    I could see the flaws in Legends, there are many. I also see flaws in comics, but Marvel did well to rewrite and reinvent those. One trilogy, based on those books, likely would have satisfied everyone, seeing all the best elements of those stories played out on the big screen. The general audience would not have known those stories, and we would have mostly geeked out at how well they did to use the best and remove the cringy elements.

    Jaina would have been Rey, Jacen would have been Kylo, Mara a far superior Holdo, Finn could have been in there, quite similar to the Chiss pilot love interest to Jaina in the Vong series (I do think Finn superior in this case and accepted them going that way). Thrawn a far more interesting villain than Snoke. The Emperor instead of C'baoth. No Luuke, Jacen would replace him. In my imagination, the elements fit so much better, so much easier. Poe could have had elements of Jaina and probably Ben Skywalker (I would have removed Anakin Solo and given Ben some of his story ideas for future films.). Or you could have just included him, a x-wing pilot taking Wedges place.

    We could have seen the fall of the academy at Jacen's hands. The KoR could still have been a thing, as Jacen could still have called himself Kylo Ren. Have the Thrawn trilogy, with some Jedi Accademy, with the character ages of that of the Vong series, and the ST, essentially.

    Admittedly, I'm geeking out at the possibilities.

    But basically, I think this fits far more the reasoning why some people dislike the ST, than fan expectations or any other excuse or reason. They removed our heroes and replaced them with people who were the same, but had books of history that made them more fleshed out. So now the imitations seem shallow by comparison. We can't apply the same history of Jaina to Rey, or Jacen to Ben, but they fill the same role and it's blatantly obvious.

    Then of course comes the story they are trying to tell. KK on down are trying to redefine SW to some extent, Rey being the most obvious example of that with her awakening and all that followed her. Kylo is the Jacen story, only that type of story plays out better in books always. Internal conflict is harder to pull off in a movie.

    I don't think they would have needed to scrap this concept, I do think it would have been more readily accepted had they not dumped the Legends characters for facsimiles.

    I'm not trying to make this a hate piece on the ST. Trying not to burry the lead here, I think the root of the resistance of this story comes from the exclusion, and relegation of Legends, when some components still strongly exist, but seem shallower by comparison, because it's not them.

    Had Rey been Jaina, I would have the books dealing with Jaina's thoughts to fill out any gaps in writing (perceived or real) or directing, same with Jacen and Kylo. Mara > Holdo.

    Thoughts? Am I on to something? Is Legends the forgotten key to the divide, or is this only true for me?
     
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    Possibly a significant factor for many

    I really enjoy the Disney films especially Last Jedi and Rogue One but was always a Cafeteria EU fan at best.
    Rapture Thrawn out of the post Return of the Jedi stuff and it was all expendable to actually bad to me.
     
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    It's Disney. I am sure they will make more "Legends," materials, as well. They kinda are, with "from a certain point of view," and the new anthology.

    There was too much conflicting stuff in the EU to keep a film series beholden, considering g a one of those books came out before the PT was even filmed.

    They had some good stories though.
     
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    I've never really paid too much attention to the EU except for Shadows of the Empire.

    Perhaps the EU is as a reason for a divide but for me the problem is that I just think TLJ is terrible, even though it has excellent acting especially from Mark Hamill. I have really enjoyed the other Disney Star Wars films but maybe it's just some fans just don't like the new films due to their own expectations rather than the EU.
     
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    Imagine you're one of the original kid fans from the 1970's who grew up with the OT.

    You're a kid still at school. You, like most of your friends are totally into Star Wars - because thats all there is. There are no multiplexes, no huge franchising of film series. There is also no internet, no social media, no PC's, no mobile phones and the new Space Shuttle program is about as advanced as technology gets. Playing videogames involves physically going to a videogame arcade at a beach resort and pumping coins into coin operated videogames, or patiently loading games off audio cassette tapes onto an 8 bit computer at home or at your friends house - which takes about 10 minutes every time you want to play something different....

    During the late Seventies and early Eighties, you've watched all three films during a period of six years, plus the Holiday Special, two Ewok films too, got the toys, t-shirt, board games, posters, vinyl records, maybe even a lightsabre and watched the Droids and Ewoks cartoons. Then it all ended in a "And They All Lived Happily Ever After" way with Return Of The Jedi, with an Ewok village tree-top party to celebrate the end of the Trilogy. The End.

    Some were content with that, some were not and wanted more. That's when the Extended Universe (EU) books and novels and roleplaying games gave those who wanted more. Licenced by Lucasfilm, it was semi canon-ish. (?!)

    You spend you teenage and twenty-something years during the 80s and 90s buying up as much EU stuff to feed your Star Wars addiction, knowing that there will never be any more new Star Wars films. Star Wars is finally released on VHS and then on DVD for home viewing! But there are no more new Star Wars films. And you're fine with that., all good things come to an end. Except for occasional low budget fan films - which always seem to be filmed in woodland and forests for some reason....

    Then you got the shock announcement during the mid to late 90's that George Lucas is coming out of "retirement" to do three more Star Wars films - which have absolutely nothing to do with rebalancing his bank balance after his divorce from Marcia Lucas (!). You get your hopes up hoping to see what happened to all your childhood OT heroes after ROTJ, is he turning all your EU hopes and dreams into films?

    Err no... The Prequel Trilogy arrives in the late Nineties and into the Noughties, and basically tells you how your OT characters came to be the way they are. The three new films are not as good as the OT, but meh, they're okay and most of the timeline fits with the OT. There's even new EU stuff to fit in the gaps between PT and OT to bridge the differences and explain stuff.

    By now, your EU collection of books, novels, games is HUGE. You've spent hundreds, if not thousands of (insert currency unit here) on your vast collection of Extended Universe Star Wars stories.

    And then, in 2012, George Lucas sells Lucasfilm to Disney. And Disney then tells its new fan base that all that EU stuff you've bought from childhood to adulthood is now "Legend" (non canon) , is worthless in the new canon, and is only fit for wood pulp, recycling or for lining the bottom of hamster and parrot cages....

    Now do you understand the anger and hatred?
     
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    I'm sorry, but no.

    Or rather, I do understand where those feelings are coming from, but I think it's a bad take. If one's enjoyment of Legends hinges on whether or not Mickey Mouse says it's "real" or not... I mean, I just feel like one should be able to enjoy it regardless. I certainly do.

    And I am sorry for those who feel that way, but being bitter that all your toys and books now exist in a new canon, and that new younger fans are now able to catch up in new stories in a different canon, is just kinda selfish.

    After all, for all Legends' great moments, it was also a bit of a bloated mess. There were already massive contradictions and problematic moments. If we were ever to get new Star Wars, even stuff set in the KOTOR era or after even the Sequel timeline, the slate needed to be wiped.

    So, I guess to those fans, I'd say: "I'm sorry. It's a huge bummer that a big part of your experience as a fandom has, in your mind, been 'invalidated'. But I hope that even so, you're simultaneously able to still enjoy Legends, while also feeling welcome in the community of New Canon fans, because we certainly welcome your experience, and are enjoying seeing young fans finding their own journey in the Star Wars mythos."
     
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    Fandom started online petitions before online petitions were even a thing....around the Special Editions. The divide is nothing new, it was just highlighted with the development of the internet.
     
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    Marvel had a lot of bloat in comics too, and some of those stories were bad or weak as well. Writers and producers had to sift through all that and work it to shape it into movie form. There were some terrible comic takes and some things that didn't translate into a live action movie. What they did, they kept what worked and transformed what didn't. Heck, even LotR did the same with part of that book series when translated to movie and mostly people loved it and still do (unlike the Hobbit lol.... different argument for a different day).

    I wish SW had done what Marvel had done. Those who seem to hate on the EU the most seem those the least invested and knowledgeable of those stories. They have a peripheral image of what it was, basically Thrawn and a bunch of other stuff (and many will point out the weaknesses in the Thrawn trilogy first, I've noticed). Yes, there was a lot of junk in that other stuff, but there were some good moments and ideas too. Every strong female character the ST has given us could have been replaced with their equal (Jaina at least equal to Rey) or some one superior (Mara Jade superior to both Rose and Holdo).

    I don't mind that people have their SW, but I think that is the root of the division. I gave Disney their shot, I was up for it and excited when TFA was announced. In a way, Legends prepared me for it with characters like Jaina and Mara Jade, to accept Rey as a lead without the slightest hesitation. After TFA, I liked the movie as an intro, I had some questions, but I felt that was mostly good, intrigue and investment into what's to come.

    After TLJ, the characters are a few tiers down from Legends, the story has almost no intrigue left. I've never been so low on SW, and for me it's because I compare it to Legends, or a condensed version of Legends I have in my mind. I admit, it may well be an idealized version of that story and Disney may have went with different directions even had they used Legends (maybe I would not have like their take or interpretation of Mara or Jaina, or Thrawn ect...) but I can't come to the belief that I would like it less than the ST we have.

    I think the GA would have loved those characters every bit as much as the new, and likely more. They would have had great female leads and pleased the fans who stuck with the franchise through it's darkest decades. I think it was a miscalculation. I was on board when they announced the direction they were taking, I trusted they had a story that would be worthy of SW, something pristine and clean or bloat. To me, in that they failed. Their story has just as many issues as the EU and will likely have more moving forward. So in hindsight, they should have just stuck with the characters fans already loved and cleaned up stories that had a lot of good parts in them. They denied us the chance to see those characters on the big screen, and for what? So that they don't need to share any royalties with other writers, most likely. Because they had the hubris that they can do better. It's a damn shame.

    PS: I just want to add, I wasn't a hard core EU/Legends fan. I loved the Thrawn trilogy and mostly liked Jedi Academy. I read maybe 20 Legends books, including the first 3 or 4 of the Vong series (maybe 5 or 6, it's been a while and lots of it was admittedly forgettable). Point is, I never completed the Vong series, there were a lot of characters in those stories that I simply wasn't invested in. So I agree, there were issues with Legends, but nothing that shouldn't have been able to get fixed. I wasn't the biggest Legends fan, but I respected the effort by writers, and appreciated the work they did in keeping SW alive for those dark years without anything SW. It was flawed, but I think most series had something usable in a SW movie. I don't expect they could have gone more than a trilogy with all the material that existed.

    Which to me is the truly sad part. It would have been the perfect transitional element for fans. "Here's the best of the EU to catch everyone up, and now we do our own thing.". Now here's Jaina and Mara and Jacen ect.... you new stars moving forward.

    Kyp was one of the most disliked EU/Legends characters because he was overpowered. I think he mirrors Rey's dislike from some fans more than anything else.

    To be fair, this PS/Edit was after the first 2 likes.
     
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    I don't thing the Expanded Universe is the root for the division. The EU had a large cult following prior to its discontinuation, but let's be real here: mainstream audiences didn't really keep up with it. It was a medium outlet for hobbyists and lore enthusiasts, like myself, and it sold well on that basis. But the audience that saw the OT, PT and the ST in droves aren't made up largely of people who read the comics and novels.

    The majority of backlash the ST's backlash, primarily the kind aimed at TLJ, largely comes from people in the mainstream viewing circles, people who haven't even read a single novel in the EU timeline. It didn't resonate with them solely in comparison to the previous films, not because it was of lower quality than story arcs popular with the EU community. Most of the complaints I hear in regards to characters acting out of character or the mythos being shattered by the previous films come from people's frame of reference being the previous seven movies (or six, in my case, as I was complaining as far back as TFA).

    Now, as far as @Sparafucile has stated in the post regarding people trashing on the EU largely due to limited peripheral knowledge of it, I 100% agree with. What I don't agree with is the wish for a condensed version of the EU being adapted into the new movies. I would be highly against that, specifically because it would only be a different version of the malady this new trilogy's already inflicting---the ceaseless recycling of old story ideas. These films already borrow exhaustively from the OT, and are basically re-selling the same story with a 2010's coat of paint on them, likely due to Disney's misplaced goal of introducing SW to foreign markets with no nostalgia factor like China as a soft reboot. Using EU elements wouldn't accomplish anything better, because it would still be a series of films rehashing unoriginal ideas, in a poor attempt to mimic the success of an already-established story.This series needs to stop re-hashing and move onto new eras, new conflicts, and new characters. Recycling old ones is precisely what got the trilogy into the state it's in, and to me and many others, it's only hurting our enjoyment of the series. The reason the EU was popular, why it endured, was because things like Thrawn, Mara Jade, KOTOR, Tales of the Jedi, and Legacy were all novelties. They were new.

    Make something new. That's where the divide, if any, stems. Even people in the casual mainstream audience are starting to complain about the lack of originality in these films, not just EU Junkies like me.
     
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    I respect that and I agree, SW needs to move on to new stories in different eras or different parts of the galaxy. Maybe they should have done that instead of finishing a story that had already concluded to fans satisfaction.

    However, to maximize attendance, bringing in the OT crew was the most obvious way to do it. I stand by using a condensed version of Legends would have been the way to go about this with the less chance of having weak plots and bloat.

    So, I disagree that a condensed version wouldn't at least partially accomplished that. Many people who dislike Legends don't know about it, or know the smallest part and judge it quite critically on its weaknesses rather then its strengths. Only those fans who followed the EU would see the story panning out. GA would be surprised, and many fans who only followed peripherally would likely also be pleasantly surprised. I guess at this point it depends on how well the executed the project, but I think it would have had better odds of working. Either way, I would have preferred them try and bring that to the big screen than start of scratch and have similar bloat and make the same missteps the EU made in the first place.

    In short, a different take on the EU would have had those new stories told and 90+% of the audience would have been oblivious to those stories. For the other 10%, we have a condensed version with different elements included and excluded which would have made it different enough. Maybe somewhat on the safe side, but different enough to at least intrigue us. An intro/final trilogy of the OT crew to Disney SW that can then introduce things to catapult SW moving forward. I think we would have been more united.

    As for the division coming from the EU fans, I agree with your sentiment, there simply aren't enough of us to do this alone. Yet it's still the root. They had material that was analyzed over decades, could have taken the best of it and made something better than the original material, and better than the ST as it did not have to start from scratch. Not all fans who dislike the ST are EU fans, but I think the EU had a lot of SW elements that would have appealed to them. I also think a lot of those who love the ST would have enjoyed similar elements to this as it would have incorporated some new ideas from the ST too, but with a stronger and more rich backdrop. This of course all subject to how well it was executed.

    Either way, it's all speculative as we'll never see this now. We'll never know how good or bad it could have been.
     
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    Disney was wise to drop the old EU. It would have been impossible to create new movies which were consistent with the EU because the overwhelming majority of the audience neither know nor care who (for example) Jaina, Jacen or the Yuuzhan Vong is.

    The disconnect has come from the fact that Disney thought they could just slap the Star Wars label on something, and it would be phenomenally popular. Their strategy was to phase out the Classic Trilogy characters as fast as they possibly could, apparently oblivious to the fact that these are some of the most beloved characters in cinematic history. What they are discovering is that so much of the love of Star Wars is rooted in the love of the Classic Trilogy. Take away Luke, Leia, Han, Vader (etc) and you're left with just another sci-fi movie. Those characters are approaching a half century of being cultural icons ingrained in the public's consciousness. Meanwhile, the general public doesn't give a crap about Rey, Finn or Poe.

    They thought they could slap "Star Wars" on a theme park and it would be a phenomenal success. They have learned, the hard way, it was a lot more difficult than that. As I mentioned in another thread today (and those of you who already read this, please forgive me for repeating myself), no one has ever said "Boy that's so much cooler to explore a place we never heard of and never appeared in any of the movies than it would be to go to Mos Eisley or the Death Star! I'd much rather see Hondo Ohnaka and Vi Moradi than Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader!"
     
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    Han Solo is the only character that's gone and he also got a stand alone film. The last couple of days there's this "Disney is trying not to use the OT characters" thing going around and it's detached from reality. The biggest complaint after TFA was that it was too much of the same. The Last Jedi centered on Luke. This next film was going to focus on Leia, but the actress passed away.
     
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    You really need to stop being such a Disney apologist. It's OK to like the new movies, but to sit there with your head in the sand and deny an obvious reality only makes you look silly, especially when you change your argument from thread to thread.

    Keep whistling pass the graveyard, my friend. All is well in the GFFA. Kids love it and long time fans are perfectly happy.

     
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    Yes Part of It

    Note: It only could work For TOS Cast of Star Trek it couldnt work for OT Cast sorry but thats how i feel and I like the New cast
     
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    I’d say that’s quite the generalization that the general public doesn’t care about those three. I suspect a lot more care than we realize. Wasn’t Poe’s comic line pretty successful?

    However, I think it’s disingenuous to say they thought they could just slap the Star Wars label on and it be popular. They worked with GL and wrote the stories as best as possible to expand the world.

    Luke wasn’t in TFA because the story perspective would change to solely “what is Luke going to do now?”, but will be returning for TROS. Harrison Ford, I believe, only came back with the condition of Han’s death that he wanted back in ESB. Leia has been the most involved, and she was going to be important in TROS, and will still be apparently thanks to unused footage.

    It wasn’t Disney’s sole goal to completely phase them out. It was a mix of factors, and the in-universe perspective of “these guys are old now and can’t fight like they used to.”

    I mean, they made a theme park to feel like a part of the world, one that wasn’t destroyed and can still be used to tie into the story. Same with the characters. Maybe you didn’t want that, but the goal was to feel like you’re living there like in the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, and Batuu was - good place to do so and have good, neutral, and evil forces there.

    It’s done poorer cause of costs and barring of Annual Passholders, and not having the Rise of the Resistance ride open. The cost situation is kind of tricky, because it reduces the money flow, but it can also be a good thing for a park to have smaller attendance at one time, because too many people at once makes for a poor experience.
     
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    I agree the EU to me was always a nice to have, but that is it. Was never the Star Wars story and was never where George Lucas would take us. EU was never canon and I think that is the big disconnect. Some good ideas, some bad ideas and never thoroughly planned out (nor should the stories had been). Timothy Zahn never discussed the story with an author that would come along 5/10 years later to make sure things made sense. Just didnt happen. Authors simply took what was already in the EU and went they way they wanted with limited oversight. So to me Legends/EU is just what is has always been, simply a nice to have.
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    So this was on the SWNN site just a short while ago. Did anyone ever really read it?

    https://www.starwarsnewsnet.com/201...cas-consider-the-expanded-universe-canon.html
     
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    No need for silly personal attacks. We've had 5 Star Wars films that have leaned heavy on OT characters. Those are just facts.

    I really don't understand labeling people "Disney apologists" for simply liking The Last Jedi. As time has passed I don't really love Solo or Rogue One. I think the Disney remake films like Lion King are terrible.

    This whole sTar WaR iS dYiNg argument is comical.
     
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    If it was successful, it would still be published. The Poe Dameron comic was the worst selling of the Star Wars comics when it was cancelled. It was even being outperformed by Dr. Aphra. It's a shame too because I thought the storylines at the end of the run were the strongest of the series. I believe it still remains the only post-E8 story content we currently have (even though the post-E8 part was little more than Finn, Poe and Rey sitting in the Falcon telling stories)
    If the magic of cinema and story could have Lord Sidious doing somersaults and backflips back in 2005, I think they could've done the same for Luke Skywalker.
    Do you honestly think people would care if they were walking around a Death Star replica and say "wait a second! this place was destroyed!"
    Yeah, because you could never have good, neutral and evil forces in.... oh, I dunno…. Mos Eisley Spaceport....

    SW:GE is nothing like WWHP. If you go to WWHP, you see stuff that was in the movies..!! The very first thing you see is a recreation of a prominent spot from the films. You are immersed in the movies and not one single soul was walking around saying "well this place was destroyed at the end so we really shouldn't be here." You see familiar places and familiar characters that even a barely-casual Harry Potter fan like me can go to and say "wow that's cool."

    Imagine if they decided to make a Harry Potter theme park with no Harry Potter, Ron, Hermione, or Hagrid. Imagine a Marvel theme park with no Spider Man, Iron Man or Captain America. That's what Disney did with SW:GE.
    If you visit a theme park, you would like to have small attendance... but they didn't build the darn thing hoping for this level of poor attendance. They drastically overestimated demand. They anticipated they would be able to charge a premium for access to SW:GE and people would still be breaking down the gates to get in. They were wrong.
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    What personal attack?? "Head in the sand"? I mean that's really just a figure of speech...
    No need to put words in my mouth, I never once said sTar WaR iS dYiNg. But facts are Solo bombed (which is a shame because it was a good movie).... they aren't even finished with the Sequel Trilogy before announcing a "slow down." SW can't sustain 1 movie per year while Marvel gives us 3 and is roaring onward and upward. Demand for SW:GE in DisneyLand is far lower than expected. (We will have to see how long they can keep high demand for SW:GE in Disney World when it opens there later this month). Kids these days don't care about SW and no one cares about the new characters.

    The whole sTar WaR iS AliVE anD weLL nOthINg to SeE hERe argument is comical.
     
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    Yeah, it's ending. There's a weird conflation between "cancelled" and "ending" - they aren't the same thing. Sometimes it's for sales, sometimes it's story, sometimes other things. This is about the story ending in a nice, tidy place based on everything else happening in SW.


    Everything I’m reading said it was quite popular. It doesn’t help that they haven’t published anything post EP VIII beyond the Poe epilogue, but that seems intentional. Ending =/= cancelled.

    I mean, they could have, but that wasn’t the story direction they wanted. That happens. Note: even George Lucas had Luke as a removed hermit.

    Probably not, but again, that’s what the goal was. Also, Batuu was a pretty heavily featured planet in Thrawn: Alliances. So it’s not like it’s completely out of the blue.

    I would continue, but this is now pretty heavily off topic.
     
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