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SPECULATION Is Lord Momin a Hint of Palpatine's Return?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by DailyPlunge, Apr 13, 2019.

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    Well, we do have Mark Hamill flying out to do a single scene once which some might consider a cameo. Regardless of Palpatine's appearance in TROS, I would think a big reason to be in Chicago would also be for TPM anniversary panel on Monday.
     
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    Picking up on this idea of Sith inhabiting an artifact, I started to wonder, maybe Palpatine/Sidious transferred himself to Darth Vader’s mask just before he was thrown into the reactor shaft. Sidious continued to possess the helmet, even after Anakin died. Anakin is burned on the funeral pyre on Endor, and presumably the mask is left there. Much later, some junk traders come along and find it. These junk traders will become Rey’s parents. While in possession of the mask, it somehow influences the development of Rey, maybe even influencing them to abandon her on Jakku. This is part of Darth Sidious’ plan. Then, the junk traders wind up selling the mask to Ben Solo, who is fascinated with relics of his grandfather. Sidious then begins to influence Ben, drawing him to the Dark Side, turning him into Kylo Ren, who then starts to almost worship the mask, as seen in TFA.
     
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    I would be astounded if Lord Momin was mentioned in IX, but what I think is interesting is the idea that Sith Lords can come back to life. The Dark Side is about self preservation so it makes sense. Jedi can life for ever by simply letting go. The Lord Momin Resurrection just serves as a template for how Palpatine could return.
    The Death Star could be the artifact. His consciousness haunts the remains and maybe the Knights of Ren or some other group has a plan to bring him back all the way. Kind of a similar arc to Lord of the Rings.
     
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    I agree that it provides a template for how Palpatine could return and if done right could be very effective. However, while I’m confident JJ is going to give us a great movie, I’m not very confident he is going to lean on non-movie canon to support this movie
     
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    Good point. I think that is what stops them from drawing too much from the books and stuff. If you have to have read different books, seen the animated shows etc. to understand a character in the movie, a BIG, BIG chunk of moviegoers will be lost.

    Even as someone who have liked all the Disney Era movies, I will admit that it's a little dissapointing that fans are not rewarded in the movies for investing a lot of time in the current canon. But I think it has to be that way.
     
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    Do I think Lord Momin as a character is in TROS? No.

    Do I think that the method of Palpatine's return will absolutely conform to what is Canon about Sith artifacts and the preservation of consciousness as demonstrated by the Momin story? Yes, because that's why Canon exists.
     
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    I love the creativity here. If Sidious possesses Vader's mask, then why would Rey, Finn, Poe need to visit the death star remains? How would you tie this together?
     
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    I’m not sure. Perhaps, they could be headed there for another purpose initially—to retrieve kyber crystals, to find something else Palpatine left behind, another Sith artifact, his light saber—not sure. The trailer could just be misdirection. Palpatine returns, but not where we think he will be.

    Vader’s mask just seems like a more likely artifact for him to possess—it has a personal connection to him. The Death Star is an Imperial artifact, whereas the mask is more directly Sith.
     
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    Forget comics. Even in this trilogy Vader is connected to his helmet and lightsaber. Meaning movie itself hints at it.
     
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    While I don't think Vader's mask is something Palpatine would "inhibit", I really do like the rest of your ideas!
     
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    Palpatine had to come back because Snoke was never an important or fully realized character ( thanks Lucasfilm "creative" team!) So they brought back the villain that was meticulously developed over six films and countless other mediums to try and make sense out of the ST's narrative mess.
     
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    It's quite possible that Palpatine has been part of the plan longer than people think. Kennedy says it's been part of the blueprint for a long time. We've seen some hints at this in some of the previous concept art. Snoke may have never been important because he's not important. Given his limited screen time a longer backstory in the film would be complete waste of time. The big bad in the first six films was Palpatine so it's natural for him to be the big bad in all 9.
     
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    Amazing theory.. also amazing if it turns out to be true.
     
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    Rey touches something in the death star and has a freak out on dark side stuff like when she touched the saber in TFA. Palps takes over her body. Luke anakin and yoda have to turn Ben back to the light so he can stop Rey and kill Palps without killing Rey.
     
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    When you understand that per KK, the plan was always to bring Palpatine back for IX, then the problem of under-developing Snoke and killing him off isn't a problem at all. It's necessary to the overall story. What the other big mess...Luke's death...it's not like there is no precedent for a mentor to sacrifice themselves to allow the next generation's heroes to escape :rolleyes:

    I think that we are all going to view TLJ differently after TROS.
     
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    I can get with all of that except viewing TLJ differently. Its pretty established RJ did his own thing (went rogue) with TLJ. And JJ, KK, Lucasfilm et al had certain intentions for the ST narratively that he ignored. We may look at the ST or even the saga as a whole differently after TROS but TLJ will always be an outlier...as it was meant to be ( they know who they hired). Now if this new movie that I am sure will include some "course correcting" without retconnig TLJ and managing to make it all make sense narratively. That would be quite a feat.
     
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    SWNN just wrote a fabulous article about this fallacy a couple of days ago. RJ made the film Lucasfilm wanted, that fits inside the outline they had for this trilogy. They've fired, replaced, or usurped 4 directors in six films. This idea RJ just did whatever he wanted just doesn't add up. Also, RJ was who Lucasfilm approached first about doing IX.

    This isn't a thread to rehash TLJ. It's canon, it was well received, and if you don't like it that's fine.
     
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    On the bright side...we only have to wait eight more months to find out :)
     
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    People would lose their minds if this happened. Can you imagine?
     
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    This is just categorically untrue and has morphed from a fallacy into a baseless conspiracy theory.
     
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