SPECULATION Is Lord Momin a Hint of Palpatine's Return?

There was no real outline according to JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson.

 

That phrase (there was no outline) does not mean what you think it means.

 

The SWNN article doesnt prove that there was some kind of plan. Look, there was no plan and this has been confirmed by JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson. Accept the truth, buddy.

 

Once again, this is a blatantly false statement contradicted by many people... including the two that you are claiming have confirmed that there was no plan.

Personally, the word of people who are actually working or have worked on these films carries more weight than that of a poster on an online message board.

 

Fine. Give me all the statements from JJ Abrams and Rian Johnson that contradicts my claim. Send them through PM.

 

The editorial article that was posted on this site and has been mentioned previously in the thread contains the statements you're looking for, so there's no need for me to dredge them up and send them to you personally when you can simply go read said article.

 

Fine, lets check them out:

“The script for VIII is written. I’m sure rewrites are going to be endless, like they always are. But what Larry and I did was set up certain key relationships, certain key questions, conflicts. And we knew where certain things were going. We had meetings with Rian and Ram Bergman, the producer of VIII. They were watching dailies when we were shooting our movie. We wanted them to be part of the process, to make the transition to their film as seamless as possible.”

Doesnt contradict my claim.

"Rian has asked for a couple of things here and there that he needs for his story. He is an incredibly accomplished filmmaker and an incredibly strong writer. So the story he told took what we were doing and went in the direction that he felt was best but that is very much in line with what we were thinking as well. But you’re right—that will be his movie; he’s going to do it in the way he sees fit. He’s neither asking for nor does he need me to oversee the process.”

Doesnt contradict my claim.

"[Rian] had things that he came up with where he asked if it was possible if we could make some adjustments with what we were doing at the end, most of which we did — there were just a couple that didn’t feel right, so he made adjustments — but it was just collaboration.”

Doesnt contradict my claim.

 

this is exactly what came to mine the minute I heard that laugh and we saw the Death Star ruins! so glad there are other people who think the same

 

It seems telling to me that Lucasfilm and all its directors went out of their way to say that Kylo Ren and Snoke were NOT SITH. lt was really pushed a lot in the SW website biographies and in the visual dictionaries that whilst they are Dark side warriors they are not sith. Why not? Why when Kylo Ren self identifies as Vaders heir has he not taken a sith name? does he not consider himself a sith? because his obsession with the past would lead me to believe he would be interested in such a thing, and as such why is Snoke a firmly anti jedi force user not a sith?

I'm pretty sure the answer to that is that they were always saving the idea of the Sith for Palpatine's return on screen, where ever that may have fallen within the ST. thats the only thing that makes logical sense to me on why they specifically pointed out that none of the new baddies were Sith.

It also means Palp's, if he is back can do another 'Arise Darth....whatever.' When he agrees to Train Kylo Ren. if that is a plot point, it would be a cool one. maybe it will be Rey, regardless the omission of the word Sith leads me to Believe there were always somethings in place, specifically around the final film plot.

 

I will bet my paycheck that Sidious's conciousness took possession of some relic in the Death Star. Perhaps the ring that Snoke wore was from the Death Star wreckage. Helps explain and justify why Snoke was so obsessed with ending Luke and the Jedi.

But who knows. The ST is a trainwreck.

 

exactly! I feel now that Kylo/Ben has been mistaking Palpatine for his grandfather. I mean Palpatine was the master minipulator and it all makes s

 

I agree with this part.

 

He will return like this.