SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

1. As in "you're the awakening".
2. No he didn't.

This...again...really?

His father's midichlorians were off the chart. He passed this on to his son. That is why Yoda and Kenobi waited 20 years doing nothing - because Luke was the only one (and Leia) with the power to defeat Vader and the Emperor.

Same thing. The Force gave him a vision. And he didn't sense Padme dying as he was unconscious. Then when Sidious told him he clearly believed him - probably because he could sense it then.

Indeed. Didn't say it was. Just giving my point of view and explaining my position.

If you read my posts I suggest that allowing parental relationships might be beneficial and far less risky. But by no means perfect for Jedi who need to avoid attachment. Why wouldn't Luke disown his family? It's too late for that. They're in his life and Luke already let go of his attachment to Leia and co. But that doesn't mean he'd be able to do the same for a wife and kid nor would take that risk. I'm talking about Jedi here. Not ordinary people without superhuman power.

I'm not trying to prove anything. The writers will write whatever they write. I simply want to stay true to Lucas' mythology. As I say, Luke would likely change that which isn't directly that of the Dark Side but he would or rather shouldn't start allowing a Jedi to be attached, or be ambitious or angry etc. A jedi must be selfless. You aren't selfless if you have attachments.

Of course it isn't completely selfish. I want to make my other half happy. I want my kids to have a great life and I'd die for them. But I have a partner because of my feelings towards her as well and I had kids partly because of what they would bring me. I also had my own kids rather than adopted (which is more admirable) for selfish reasons. And now that I have them, I fear things happening to them not just because of what it means to them but because of what it means to me. But you know what? That is natural. And it is healthy. And it is ok. But for a Jedi it is not. Not only must they be devoted to the Force but they cannot allow themselves to harbour feelings of jealousy, greed and fear. Because that leads to the Dark Side. And when a Jedi turns to the Dark Side they have the power to cause catastrophe.

One police officer cannot cause a world wide catastrophe. One Sith (or two) can take over an entire galaxy.

The power available to a Jedi is infinitely more than that available to a police officer. Power corrupts. And I know you like to think that marriage and being a parent is a noble and selfless but it isn't. If I see someone threaten my child my reaction to them will be a million times worse than if I see them threaten some random guy in the street. I can look dispassionately to a degree at some things I see on the news but if they happened to my family then my reaction would be very different. Is it possible to be a Jedi with a wife and kids and remain absolutely calm and selfless. Possibly. To an extent. And it would be an ongoing struggle. The point about the Jedi is that they have to put the Force first. Before anything else. Could most people put that ahead of their families? I doubt it.

Qui Gon, Yoda and Kenobi were warrior monks. These were the three wisest jedi we saw on screen. And even after the so called changes to the PT Jedi Order, Yoda and Ben remained single and without families. That says something.

 

Attachment = selfishness.
Luke let go of his attachments. He loved people. As every Jedi should love everyone.

I've just posted a dozen quotes on the previous page by GL on this very subject.

 

"This is obviously a very pivotal scene for Anakin because this is reuniting with his mother and his youth and at the same time dealing with his inability to let go of his emotions and allow himself to accept the inevitable. The fact that everything must change and that things come and go through his life and that he can't hold onto things which is a basic Jedi philosophy that he isn't willing to accept emotionally and the reason that is because he was raised by his mother rather than the Jedi. If he'd have been taken in his first year and started to study to be a Jedi, he wouldn't have this particular connection as strong as it is and he'd have been trained to love people but not to become attached to them. But he has become attached to his mother and he will become attached to Padme and these things are, for a Jedi, who needs to have a clear mind and not be influenced by threats to their attachments, a dangerous situation. And it feeds into fear of losing things, which feeds into greed, wanting to keep things, wanting to keep his possessions and things that he should be letting go of. His fear of losing her turns to anger at losing her, which ultimately turns to revenge in wiping out the village. The scene with the Tusken Raiders is the first scene that ultimately takes him on the road to the Dark Side. I mean he's been prepping for this, but that's the one where he's sort of doing something that is completely inappropriate."
--George Lucas

"The scene in the garage here, we begin to see that what he's really upset about is the fact that he's not powerful enough. That if he had more power, he could've kept his mother. He could've saved her and she could've been in his life. That relationship could've stayed there if he'd have been just powerful enough.He's greedy in that he wants to keep his mother around, he's greedy in that he wants to become more powerful in order to control things in order to keep the things around that he wants. There's a lot of connections here with the beginning of him sliding into the Dark Side. And it also shows his jealousy and anger at Obi-Wan and blaming everyone else for his inability to be as powerful as he wants to be, which he hears that he will be, so here he sort of lays out his ambition and you'll see later on his ambition and his dialogue here is the same as Dooku's. He says "I will become more powerful than every Jedi." And you'll hear later on Dooku will say "I have become more powerful than any Jedi." So you're going start to see everybody saying the same thing. And Dooku is kind of the fallen Jedi who was converted to the Dark Side because the other Sith Lord didn't have time to start from scratch, and so we can see that that's where this is going to lead which is that it is possible for a Jedi to be converted. It is possible for a Jedi to want to become more powerful, and control things. Because of that, and because he was unwilling to let go of his mother, because he was so attached to her, he committed this terrible revenge on the Tusken Raiders."
--George Lucas

"The key part of this scene ultimately is Anakin saying "I'm not going to let this happen again." We're cementing his determination to become the most powerful Jedi. The only way you can really do that is to go to the Dark Side because the Dark Side is more powerful. If you want the ultimate power you really have to go to the stronger side which is the Dark Side, but ultimately it would be your undoing. But it's that need for power and the need for power in order to satisfy your greed to keep things and to not let go of things and to allow the natural course of life to go on, which is that things come and go, and to be able to accept the changes that happen around you and not want to keep moments forever frozen in time."
--George Lucas

"It [SW] will be about how young Anakin Skywalker became evil and then was redeemed by his son. But it's also about the transformation of how his son came to find the call and then ultimately realize what it was. Because Luke works intuitively through most of the original trilogy until he gets to the very end. And it's only in the last act - when he throws his sword down and says, "I'm not going to fight this" - that he makes a more conscious, rational decision. And he does it at the risk of his life because the Emperor is going to kill him. It's only that way that he is able to redeem his father. It's not as apparent in the earlier movies, but when you see the next trilogy, then you see the issue is, How do we get Darth Vader back? How do we get him back to that little boy that he was in the first movie, that good person loved and was generous and kind? Who had a good heart".
- Time interview (Bill Moyers) 03/05/99

The film is ultimately about the dark side and the light side, and those sides are designed around compassion and greed. The issue of greed, of getting things and owning things and having things and not being able to let go of things, is the opposite of compassion - of not thinking of yourself all the time. These are the two sides - the good force and the bad force. They're the simplest parts of a complex cosmic construction.
- Time interview (Bill Moyers) 03/05/99

LUCAS: The message is you can't possess things. You can't hold on to them. You have to accept change. You have to accept the fact that things transition. And so, as you try to hold on to things or you become afraid of -- that you're going to lose things, then you begin to crave the power to control those things. And then, you start to become greedy and then you turn into a bad person.

 

I'm sorry but this is completely wrong.
It was Vader's attachment that turned him bad. It was by seeing his son's example and acting selflessly that he was redeemed. He, like Luke, let go of his selfish desires - his attachments.

Again, attachments are not feelings of love or compassion. It is the selfish desires you have for things or people. The need to control and possess.

And Leia was under immediate threat. The Emperor was about to kill them all (from Luke's perspective). The Emperor and Vader told him that if he turned he could save his friends. That offer was on the table. And then when Vader threatens Leia, this is what sets Luke off and makes him angry. His attachment to Leia. But then, as he looks upon his beaten father he sees what he will become. He then does the rational thing, not the emotional thing and throws down his saber. This is Luke letting go. And that is what inspires his father.

 

Star Wars Episodes I-VI (1977-2005).
Why was it assumed that Luke and Leia would be powerful and the only hope for the galaxy? Why did Yoda and Ben not train someone else rather than wait for Luke?

When he awakens from the suit and asks where Padme is - seems to me that he's been out of it.

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I. DIDN'T. SAY. HE. COULDN'T.

I said he wouldn't know if he could or not. Not being attached to a wife and child is very hard. It would take a lot of discipline and training. It wouldn't be very fair on them either. And it wouldn't be a great thing for his vulnerable students to follow. Therefore I HIGHLY DOUBT Luke would choose that path.

Star Wars is about compassion vs greed, selflessness vs selfishness. The Jedi and Sith represent the two side. Go figure.

I'm not saying certain mechanisms wouldn't change. I'm saying that attachment is bad for Jedi. A Jedi with an attachment is not going to be a Jedi for very long.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 11, 2017, Original Post Date: Jan 11, 2017 ---

I think I can decipher this...

Again, I am not saying Luke would automatically turn bad. I am saying that he'd know the risks. He'd know he isn't infallible. He'd know the responsibility he has to the order and his students. He'd know he wouldn't have time to be a great father.

Based on that, I don't think he would choose to have a wife and kids. I don't think he'd go against that older doctrine.
Your argument is that he could. Sure. He could. But would he risk it? Or should he risk it?