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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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  2. No

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  1. MagnarTheGreat

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    JJ Abrams about hiding setup and payoffs in stories:

    About experiencing movies multiple times:

    On the illusion of free will and misdirection and manipulation of the audience:

     
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    So what does this mean? It doesn't seem like JJ has that much to do with the story going forward so I'm not sure how this is relevant?
    Jyn's father wasn't from a core world so it makes sense. I believe Aria Prime where Lyra is from is a core world so that makes sense. The whole accent thing isn't perfect but there's a general method to it.
     
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    Shmi also seems to have a different accent from Anakin. Anakin didn't pick up on her accent or Obi-Wan's despite spending time with both of them while young, and living on Coruscant didn't seem to affect him much either.

    i agree that there's some method to it, but to base arguments on something so wishy washy seems to counter the intention of the thread. i suppose the accents can still be used as circumstantial evidence, but definitely not hard evidence.
     
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    Her mum had the same accent didn't she? And we saw her living on Coruscant as a kid and likely went to school with inner-world accented nippers.

    I do enjoy your quotes but more and more they have little to do with this thread! Although he talks about mis-direction - the biggest opportunity for that likely being that Rey is a Skywalker!

    Good point. Though I think the core of this argument has been that Daisy was coached to some extent to speak in a certain way for some reason.
    As for Anakin, we don't know about the first 3 years of his life, who was around him etc. And on Tatooine his best made was Kitster, if that means anything?! But in that case it didn't make much sense...but it was TPM after all! Ha!

    I just think that if Rey meets BOTH her parents and neither speak in an inner world accent then it will stand out. Best to just have a parent speak the same.
     
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    Great questions!

    And if for some reason Snoke can/did attack or insert some darkness in Ben in the womb...and Luke knew of this in regard to any potential offspring of his own...then with that ability - Snoke = Plaguies?

    I'd never have thought that, and I don't want to be the one to make too big of a deal out of one section of a novel (cannon or not) but - the idea that Ben Solo had darkside stuff in the womb is fascinating...and opens up all kinds of discussion...not just about Rey being Luke's or not.

    (But yes, for the record, I feel it strengthens that she's Luke's, and he in fact did hide her there or entrusted her to guardians who had to hurriedly leave her there...)
     
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    The misdirection in TFA is that Rey doesn't recognize the other characters and that they do not recognize her so some people are misdirected into thinking they are not related. Rey Unknown is the misdirection. Episode VIII and IX will change how you are meant to experience Episode VII just as Episode V and Episode VI changed how the audience was meant to experience IV.
     
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    JJ Abrams, is that you?
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    A risk to have a family. He'd know the danger he'd be putting them in (common superhero dilemma.

    I don't think Luke would necessarily believe it important for the Skywalker lineage to continue. That just seems egotistic and arrogant - as well as dangerous. But I could see a very good reason for not continuing the bloodline or at least, not introducing more into the galaxy to be preyed upon (or oppress the galaxy).
     
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    I came out of the film thinking Rey was a Skywalker based on the force relic calling to her and her mysterious connection to Kylo Ren. So that's not much of a misdirection.
     
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    it's just so misdirected you missed the misdirection!

    @master_shaitan that's just it, there's so much ambiguity on Anakin alone that making accent judgments is tricky business. what i wanna know is, why make C3P0 an inner-planet accent?? :eek:
     
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    I think it all points to one thing:

    We're massive nerds.
     
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    that just leads us back to the end of ROTJ, and us not knowing what Luke's feelings were about family moving forward.

    He helped redeem his father.. the evil and legendary Darth Vader. Would he think it dangerous to have family? or would he be at the complete opposite end of that? He and his friends just saved the galaxy from tyranny and the dark side... who's gonna save it in 30 yrs time when it might be in trouble again?

    it's so difficult to speculate on what kind of man and Jedi Luke was like between 6 & 7... they really did a number us only showing him appear at the end of TFA.

    you can bloody well speak for yours..... who am i kidding?
     
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    Sideous Granddaughter from Naboo, hid Rey's existence, her birth from her dad Luke. She left Rey on Jakku to fulfil Sideous prophesy. Remember how ole Palps always had a plan?

    Sideous knew Jakku and Luke were important to his own legacy and the Dark side. Vader was a pawn. Rey is the future of the Sith and Jedi.
     
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    I think this was absolutely obvious after multiple viewings ov VII. Even without knowing the rest, you can see the undertones of family all over it.

    Good post
     
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    I'm glad I'm out of this :D

    Have fun buddies !
     
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    so you think your out @Bandini ?
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    Good stuff...

    It would be cool if Palpatine still had a part to play even after his death. I also hope that Anakin plays a part in the next two films. Even though he's not in TFA he's mentioned a couple of times. I'd be surprised if we don't hear more about Vader.
     
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    are_you_my_mother.jpg

    I don't remember too many details from when I was 5 although this book is one of them!
    There are other dangers presented in TFA that could result in a future temptation to dabble in the/her dark side. One member posted this in another thread claiming the text was from starwars.com (although if it was there once I can't seem to find it there now).
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    "...no match for her power and rage." If this is accurate the dark has already appeared to serve her well. Then there are other canon hints that Rey has already had some dark temptation (the "kill him" line after the duel).

    I sometimes wonder if a light-sider using their dark side for attack for the first time might offer some extra power advantage as part of the path being “easier, more seductive”.
     
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    Yep, I am. But I can read if I want another round :D

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    What I like about TFA is the more I think about it, the less I'm sure about anythig.
    So, yes I give this

    90% chances to come true.

    That's also why thouth any Rey Skywlaker or Solo (sorry @master_shaitan I don't want to bother you, it's just... you know: to list) theory we are debating here seems to carry on (at least for now) more problemes than clues... I just cannot say "it's never going to happen".

    However, even if so I don't think we could call it a plot twist, but... a revelation.
    or more precisaly the resolving of a riddle yet set. In fact we're talking about this from day one.
    To change the way we exeperienced Episode VII, maybe there must be someone else.
    And it has to be huge....
    Something we really didn't see cominig at all.
     
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    But to remember nothing? Not their names? Faces? Where she lived prior? It's like before that event on Jakku, she recalls nothing.

    Classic actions of someone who is untrained as a Jedi. The point is that Luke will likely train her. He will likely help her learn why she must reject the Dark Side and indeed how to do it. So something must occur that jeopardises that.

    I guess the rawer the anger the hatred and the less training there is against that, the more dangerous it could be in some ways. Though I do think that a true master of evil, knows how to cultivate their hate and anger and channel it properly. That's where the true power lies.
     
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