SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Yeah I agree there's bound to be a hiccup or two ahead in her path and a surprising and tragic discovery about her friends and family looks like a strong possibility.

I was just pointing out that the fate of her parents isn't "the only thing presented that can cause this". If she's already brushed with the dark there's a chance of a re-lapse out of desperation in another duel.

It's an interesting point of difference between her arc and the Skywalker protagonists that she's already faced and passed a dark side test/temptation before being taken under the wing of any Jedi tutelage.

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There could well be something fishy going on there. I shared that pic because I saw that old "Are You My Mother?" book recently and the thought of a parentless, memoryless Rey reminded me of it!

 

Yeah I forget about the terra-intervention and in the moment she does look pretty angry.



I think your right about her disposition though and she does look more rational with each second and every breath. She's killed before but maybe not this personally with the upper hand.

Luke should be the perfect guide to help her steer clear from the anger/attacking temptation like you say. But even if Luke isn't her father there's the chance he's not himself - she could get conflicting advice from holocrons or Force ghosts that cause her to lose respect or call into question his teachings.

At present I don't really see the need to have Luke be a source of her past or future conflict... I think this will come from elsewhere. It would be bold and interesting though. It's just hard to come up with an in-character scenario that undermines Luke Skywalker the wise and compassionate Force mentor outside of some accident.

I hear you. I tried to work things backward the other day from an Occams Razor standpoint and what we know but didn't get far before giving up! So many variables, so many questions, so much ambiguity, and of course we're dealing with a world where destiny and coincidence conspire to make the unlikely (but narratively interesting) likely!

 

That's what Rian said "Rey has been pulled into a bigger world by connecting with the Force, “but part of what’s she’s dealing with is the realization that she has this power and this gift,” Johnson adds. “She’s taking her first step to coming to terms with this thing inside her that she never knew was there and is just starting to reveal its potential.”
So, this (dealing with this great power she's been gifted) may be what jeopardizes her path...
Then we have Oscar who said all the main characters will be "tested immensely".
I don't know, but perhaps trying to achive something "good" she will do something "wrong", using her power in a bad way.
However, I must admit I get @master_shaitan point (better than I previously done this time). And what's his suggesting would add more to the story.

 

I'm quoting this again since @SKB was so mad online about it that she rated it unoriginal. Did someone else point out that Southern dialects are diverse as well? Maybe there's no such thing as a sense of humor.

We were talking about misdirection a bit yesterday, but one misdirection is that parentage even matters. The biggest mystery to me (even though we've beat this topic to death) isn't Rey, it's Luke. Luke is the main character of the OT and his whereabouts are the plot of TFA and we don't know anything about him. We still know Luke from 1983.

One common theme people have said about TLJ is that it expands the story. I expect TLJ to expand the lore a lot. Lucasfilm has been doing this everywhere else except the films. TFA wasn't the right place for that type of storytelling, but it would be perfect for TLJ.

 

Look who's breathing again !

I'm never seen a character with so much breathing screen time.

Maybe that means something.

 

All of TFA is a mess.

There's a map of Luke that was made by...whom? And left behind...how? For....whom?

And it's on Jakku in the custody of LST.

Where the Falcon happens to but but it's Random.

And Rey is there...but it's Random.

And Maz has Luke's light saber but we don't know how. And it calls to Rey, but we don't know why.

pablo is somewhat of a troll to me...I think his job is mostly just to keep all the plates spinning - he does help blast bits of nonsense as fake, but...if somebody ever hit the truth - he could never confirm/deny anyway. (Side question - has he ever made any comments on the "mother ring"'that Leia wears?)

But yes, you are correct - Rey's thoughts, statements, and actions are all over the map...

 

The map wasn't to Luke per se. It was to the first Jedi Temple. It was put together decades ago. Luke and others broke it up so it couldn't be found by the dark side because it's such a powerful place. (Someone correct me if I'm wrong)

Lor San Tekka went with Luke on the journey to find the Temple, he was a close friend of Luke/Leia.

Falcon was stolen from Han and sold to a junker. Unkar is a junker. How is it random?

Rey being left there wasn't random...

We know Maz knows. We don't need to know everything. We truly don't.

 

i'm with @DailyPlunge in that Rey is taking a bit of a back burner. i'm much more interested in Luke and especially Ben at this point.

on Rey, i've been thinking about the memory thing, and whether or not you'd recognize someone you hadn't seen in years:

when i was a little kid, around 4-5 years old, i was separated from my parents at a beach. i was found by some nice people and they took me to some place to wait for my parents to arrive. being so young i couldn't give them many details: i didn't know my address, and my parents were mom and dad in my eyes; what other names would i have known them by? in the end they never came back and i'm still sitting here at this rotten beach. i know i was left here accidentally, and i'm sure they'll be here to get me soon!

the other day i found an ex on Instagram that i hadn't connected with in a long while. i went through their pictures and i found a shot of their little cousins (who happen to be fraternal twins). i haven't seen these kids since they were 6 or 7, and now they're getting ready to graduate high school! amazing! and you know what? there is absolutely no chance i would have seen these pics and thought, "oh, there's Gustav and Megan, all grown up!" granted, they aren't my family or my children, but my point is that, even if Luke or Han had known her in some aspect, there is a very good chance they wouldn't recognize her after so many years. now if only Gustav and Megan had kept the same hair styles and clothes this whole time, maybe i would have remembered them better...

jokes aside, these are experiences i've had that throw into question the integrity of arguments regarding Rey remembering more of her childhood/parents, or that adults would recognize her after so many years. with that being said, i feel like Rey would recognize her parents upon seeing them, unless something like memory repression has taken place somehow. i have vivid memories of faces as a young child so, again, just going off my own experiences.

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to sum up:

Luke, Han, and Leia could have known Rey as a young person and completely missed that she's the same girl they once knew.

it is unlikely that any of these people are her parents as i feel Rey would have recognized them.

 

She may not have been with her biological parents before Jakku. Who knows when that separation happened. Rays past is a mystery

Call me closed minded, but she is the main character, in a skywalker family story.. I dunno what else to say. Is debate even required. Outside of which side of the family, Leia or Luke.

If Ben is the reason we're calling this a skywalker story, then the family is an evil mess.

If Luke is the reason we're calling this a Skywalker story, then the ST is a mess. As it's suppose to be about a new generation. Hamil said from the start he was a part player, and it's not about him.

Ray is our new Hope, no one else

 

Is she is an important question. The Force Awakens, as a film, hinges on the JJ Abrams way of filmmaking; 8 or 9 twists in a two hour film with little time on explanation or detail. Thankfully, given that this is a trilogy, we're able to build on that foundation with concrete information. Hopefully. Rey's story necessitates a definitive answer to her lineage. In my perspective, the only conclusion can be that she's the daughter of Luke Skywalker. Insofar as my point of view defines her heroic journey through the film, and the concocted mystery surrounding her birth and parents.

I look forward to an answer either way, I just hope The Last Jedi ends with something more definitive than we've been given. Plus, I simply believe Luke should have a child.

 

unless Luke and Rey never met, i doubt Luke's the father. i imagine that Rey would have had impressions of her father's face at the very least, so i think she would have recognized him. with that being said, i guess we don't really know given the lack of dialog at the end of TFA; she could have recognized him the moment she saw him and we're just in the dark. i don't think that Rey would have necessarily known Luke as "Luke," if he is indeed her father, so thinking about Luke as a legend doesn't really make it or break it in my eyes. i know that when i was a young child i didn't care about what my parents' names were: they were mom and dad.

even if Rey isn't a Skywalker/Solo, Ben is more than enough Skywalker to have this be a Skywalker saga trilogy. as all the quotes from TPTB have confirmed (and reconfirmed over and over again on this thread): the ST is about the legacy of Anakin. what better person to play this out than Ben?

 

Welcome to the club. You'll find quite a few people who are so tied this though that offering any alternative theory is greeted with hostility.

You might want to keep that opinion quiet. Otherwise if Rey turns out to be Skywalker people might come to a forum and gloat about a story decision to make themselves feel better... or something.

When we started debating this 15 months ago the poll wasn't even close.

 

I'm certain it's a common theory to speculate on; whether by design or nostalgia, Luke had a child in the EU, and with that slate cleaned from canon, it's only natural to build a legacy origin around a newly introduced young character. Beyond that, I've found it's a commonly accepted idea based around more casual fans.

It is an interesting, truly fascinating concept. Whatever the answer may be, the more involved to the casual fan are committed to this character and her origins. This is why we deserve a definitive answer, no matter what that might be.

 

i thought we were debating for bragging rights this whole time! is there some point to all this other than spewing pig headed vitriol at our detractors??

@Master Skywalker welcome to the fray! i think they'll definitely make Rey's story compelling, but it's hard trying to shoehorn her into a familial relationship with the Skywalkers based on what we know and what we assume. however, after 400+ pages, the debate continues!

 

It's very up in the air.
If she was young enough when her family abandoned her on Jakku, then it's entirely possible she does not remember then *accurately*
I had two grandparents die when I was between 4 and 7.
I honestly do not remember what they look like outside of pictures. If I didn't have pictures, I would probably struggle to identify them ~10 years later if they turned out not to be dead. Same would go for them with me.

Memories by themselves, are quite unreliable.

 

It's been clearly stated that she doesn't remember anything about her parents. That's a canon fact whether it makes sense to us or not. We don't know anything about her pre-Jakku life to even speculate why that is. Being taken from her family and abandoned could easily have been traumatic enough to cause memory repression and possibly even hysterical amnesia.

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That's your opinion not fact. It's not hard at all in my opinion. With so little being known at this point, neither side can lay claim to their theory being supported by the preponderance of the evidence.

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No he isn't because he's the villain not the main protagonist. Rey is the main protagonist of the ST. Only by Rey being a Skywalker by blood can it truly be a Skywalker saga trilogy.

 

I know Star Wars and science don't really mesh together, but this is a point worth considering. First memories that people are able to remember through the rest of
their lives are formed between the age of 3 and 6. The factor determines the age is how good one's childhood was. If a child was kept in safety, was taken care after, loved and nothing too bad happened to it, the memories start to form quite early. However, traumas delay the onset age drastically. What happened to Rey was definitely quite dramatic, so I wouldn't be surprised if the first things she actually remembers are from the age of 6, 7.