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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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    The mysterious connection is that they have the midichlorian levels to be Jedi...... ;)
     
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    I bet that's what Space Maury does instead of paternity tests.

    "And according to the test....your midichlorians say.....you are....NOT A JEDI"
     
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    I would like to have the source of "Kylo is unredeemable because he has killed his father" by JJ Abrams.
     
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    Kylo Ren is a monster. I'm really concerned about Rey's journey and who she is. Is she s Skywalker or not.
     
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    Anakin/Vader was also a monster (has killed women and children Tuskens, children Jedi, Obi-Wan and many Jedi, is responsible for the death of his wife Padmé) but at the end of the trilogy:
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    Im telling you man, Shadster will likely not supply you with a source.

    With that having been said, I went digging around for the quote in question and found bupkis. I did find this interesting piece that agrees with Shad's assertion, however:

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...do-monologue-may-prove-han-solo-stabbed-first

    EDIT: please note that this article doesn't reflect my views; I just thought it was interesting enough to share.
     
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    Yep. Looks dead to me...

    Had he lived, he would've been hanged for his war crimes. "Redeemed" or not.

    The Bloodline novel actually covers this...only Luke sees his father this way. None of the other (living) characters really know about what he did on the death star...Luke is credited for that portion.

    Ben may or may not get redeemed...some part of me thinks he will in some fashion...but it's not like he's going to retire to the countryside and live on a Force farm with Force trees and just be allowed to live out his days in peace after killing LST, killing Han, ordering the murder of an entire village, and (likely) killing all of Luke's jedi students...

    His peace in the afterlife (like his grandfathers) would be his to have...but that's about it.
     
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    To be fair to @Shadrac JJ did say something about Kylo needing to do something to be a worthy successor to Vader and to show his evolution to being he villain. That is pretty damning by itself.

    However, JJ has also spoken about Kylo's regret and we know that he has compassion for Rey. Post TFA we have also seen a drive to present the story of Ben Solo. If you're going to make an irredeemable villain then this isn't the way to do it. And like I say, if they make Ben irredeemable then they make a farce of the message from the OT and Rey is less of a hero than Luke. It becomes a fruitless hero journey. She simply has to help bring back Ben in my opinion.

    Ps and Han died for nothing. No thanks.
     
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    I do agree with this to a point - not because I don't think that he could live beyond his redemption and be a Force for good but because, to present this on screen, would be complicated and messy. Having said that I am of the mind that with Kylo Ren they are looking to replicate the mindset and ideology-led actions of an Islamist. Someone with a skewed world view, brainwashed and yet to himself not evil. I think the idea could be to show how we can reach out and reverse this way of thinking. Anakin's fall was all about him selfishness and greed, stemming from his attachment to Padme. With Kylo, it seems to be more ideology based (both in terms of his own family power and his view about how the galaxy should be run). I think it could be worthy to find a way to redeem Kylo and then have him teach future Jedi how not to make the errors he made.

    Would the galaxy accept this? I think they could to a point but really, if he is redeemed, then I am sure he'd be only too happy to pass on his new found wisdom from within the confines of a prison cell.
     
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    this is fantasy, and in my mind nobody has met Ben Solo yet... not even his mother. granted.. that is a divisive opinion to say the least.

    the choice for the galaxy is clear if Ben Solo is redeemed... kill him or accept/trust/love him 100%. there is no half-way option here... if anyone rejects him, then they risk the safety of the galaxy as the dark side will welcome him back in a heartbeat.

    i've said it before, but there is a reason Snoke named Kylo Ren... because he made him.
     
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    I do agree with this to a point. Ben Solo, unlike anyone else we have seen before in SW, was under the influence of the Dark Side from birth (perhaps before). Again, I liken him to an Islamist who from a very young age has been taught to hate the west, believe in Allah and be willing to die (and kill others) from him. What chance does a person really have? Sure, if given the right attention you could sway them back. But it seems this didn't happen for Ben. He was manipulated by Snoke and felt abandoned by his parents. He was sent to Luke but it was likely too little too late - and we don't know if Luke made mistakes with him as well.
     
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    we're not even close to topic here lol... but it's your thread bro, and i'm sure we can coax it back on target during the next 400 pages :D

    Many have said.. "he killed Han Solo, his father.. no coming back from that, i'll never forgive him"

    there is no forgiveness to be had here.. none. Han/LST/the villagers/Luke's students and i'm sure countless others that died at the hand of Kylo Ren. none of them are here to forgive Kylo Ren. Kylo Ren is a monster and cannot be forgiven.. ever.

    I don't particularly like the word redemption when it comes to where the story could possibly go with Ben Solo. I think that if Ben Solo were to emerge from the tortured evil soul that is Kylo Ren.. it would be more like a birth. This guy would be starting from scratch.. the start he never had first time around because of Snoke.

    He will always have the memories of what KR did for Snoke though... we talk about whether or not the galaxy would accept him, but it will be a million times harder for him. perhaps impossible, but i have hope.
     
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    I don't believe "stay on topic" concerns are valid or anything to worry about - if the discussion has led to this point, then it has done that for a reason that connects back to the topic at hand. In this case, we're talking about Kylo Ren's redemption because how he is redeemed will tie in to his relationship with Rey. And there is a big point to be made about what type of relationship that is - family, friend or lovers.

    Anyway, I hear what you're saying but I do think that Ben Solo existed in some capacity. I think there is a person there - whether that is equal to Ren or a tiny percentage of the "being" that exists, I don't know. But I'm sure before that the "Ben Solo" part of him does exist and has had moments in his life where he was untouched by evil. But it does beg the question, how do you define who someone is? Even if Ben emerges from Ren, that bad past will still be a part of him in some capacity. You can't wipe the slate clean so to speak. I think it is more about being the best person you can be. Everyone can be good and evil and everyone at some point, for whatever reason, has done good and bad things. In Kylo's case the bad is far outweighing the good at the moment and thus he defines himself as Kylo Ren. But if he can see past this dark side ideology he has at the moment and embrace the light then he will become a better person and that will be who he is. "Ben" and "Kylo Ren" are just names that help separates the different sides of his character, who rather the current course of actions he is taking. Essentially, he is BenRen - the sum of all his actions and feelings. In his current state of mind, it's better for him to see himself as Kylo and that's why he wants to be like Vader. But the conflict is there and he knows that it is there. And when he is able to pull away from the Dark Side he will be able to define who he is the moment in a positive way.

    So I hear your point -but for me he has always been a mix of Kylo and Ben. It's not a case of Ben Solo being born after his redemption but rather the next definition of himself if that makes sense?
     
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    aye, i think so.

    one of the reasons that i'm so sure that Ben will come back to the light.. is that it's never happened before. The eagle-eye'd fans out there will potentially cough at this point and mention Anakin.. but the galaxy didn't see that... the occupant of Darth Vader's suit joining the light side of the force as he died will have zero meaning to anyone other than Luke who was a part of it.

    my suspicion has long been that we will get a 'golden' 5 minutes of information during TLJ. That we will have Luke, Rey and Kylo on screen at the same time and there will be a rush of 'who is who' and 'what happened to whom' data thrown at us.. before getting on with the story. Maz seems to be holding onto some nuggets of info as well... so she has more to tell me thinks.

    there was a rumor of a scene in a hut with Luke, Rey and Kylo... this would be my golden 5 minutes of info if the rumor was true.

    this would be an easy scene to do 'closed-set' to hide a bucket load of spoilers
     
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    I have to admit the "ignore" feature in this forum is becoming increasingly useful for navigating this thread. It's a shame it doesn't work in reverse so the trolls can't see my posts. :)
    Not to pick on @Shadrac too much, but he did claim that he had heard the opposite about Rey's accent coaching last week and never provided a source. I asked for it twice and it was simply ignored. Shadrac is respectful in debate though and I value his insight.
    Did Snoke name Ben Kylo Ren? I must have forgotten about that.
     
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    omg! does everything that anyone says on this site have to be pulled apart and questioned?

    tis a good question though... i've no idea where i pulled that apparent fact from lol :D
     
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    The only way I think the Public will 4give KR is if he defects from the FO & fites 4 the NR/Resistance. Maybe the probability of Leia's death/assassination attempt does that.

    For me to possibly 4give that whining brat is he must do it by the end of 8.

    And it's something NEW in this awful retread of the OT. A Force user switches sides 1/2 way.
     
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    I thought it, but i didnt want to go there :)
    --- Double Post Merged, Mar 30, 2017, Original Post Date: Mar 30, 2017 ---
    Poor kid is not allowed out on windy days
     
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    It is really unfortunate that some people has to be ignored. It used to be a friendiest place out there.
     
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    [FANGIRLMODE]How great would it be to see Ben Solo turn to the light and use his red saber in battle alongside Rey in fighting the agents of evil?![/FANGIRLMODE]
     
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