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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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    I think things are pointing more and more towards Rey Skywalker, but here's a weird way Rey Solo could still make sense (maybe).

    Leia is pregnant with twins, as in the LEU. Some agents of Snoke kidnap Leia and remove one of her children from her womb, the one Snoke believes is more powerful, Rey. They put her in deep freeze for a few years as they develop ways to make her even stronger or evil. This is why she appears to be younger than Kylo. However, before they can make Rey evil, some good Samaritan decides to release her.

    Snoke obviously is upset but decides to focus on the weaker twin, Ben Solo.

    Too crazy? Or just weird enough? It would explain why Leia has never met Rey before, but they feel a connection.
     
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    Emotionally satisfying, such an interesting phrase huh :)

    How emotional would it be if her parents we didnt know, how emotionally satisfying if there dead. NOT AT ALL!

    There only 2 emotionally satisfying answers, Rey is Luke or Leia's.

    Still in the Leia camp :)

    I'm not even sure why it's a big deal that it needs explaining, we didn't get explained about Padme for 15 years. Like RJ said, it's the least important thing. If we get told she's Leia's, she just is. Maybe a brief line will do. Just my 2 cents.
     
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    Obi-Wan has been keeping an eye on the Skywalkers like forever. He was Anakin master. Then he spent many years alone with the one and only mission of surveilling Luke, and then once death he kept talking and guiding Luke. Yoda does as well. His voice is in the trailer as well, his voice was in the force back as well, and I don't think this makes him Rey's father. These characters are force ghosts, guiding spyrits to the Skywalkers.

    This is the Skywalker saga. Rey's the protagonist of the trilogy.

    Besides, who's the mother? Satine?

    Dave Filoni said it very clear: Each new Star Wars thing you do, you has to think about it as if the audience sees it for the first time. When he did the Rebels episode about Maul and Obi, he discarded talking about Maul's brother simply to not confuse new audiences. Imagine it in a film scale. Do you think that Rey would be parented to a death supportive character and a cartoon secondary character? That would be confusing and the opposite to "emotionally satisfying"

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    This ^^
     
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    With all due respect we have nothing pointing in any direction. So I'm not sure how "more and more" can be used for any theory. Since TFA came out very little has come out to support Rey Skywalker.

    I understand that people want things to be true. That's fine. I've talked to a lot of Star Wars fans who have emotional ties to their theory of choice, but we don't have accumulating evident pointing to any outcome. What you have is hope (theories are built on hope).
    Welcome to the thread. This is a very common Rey Skywalker argument. Maybe the most common? Anyway, the alternative argument is that being the protagonist in a Skywalker saga doesn't automatically mean Rey has to be Skywalker. Sure, it could be true, but it's just as possible the story group is doing something different. Either way, I wouldn't consider either side of this protagonist debate evidence or particularly compelling.
     
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    No, the inference is that no one is ever going to come back to Jakku looking for her especially given that it's canon that Rey still thinks they are alive somewhere after that conversation with Maz.
     
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    She could be Rey Kenobi because Obiwan is the one that says to her when she grabs the Lightsaber, "......You are taking your first steps...."
     
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    Yes, there's a clear direction: It's Luke's daughter. I'm not meaning she is. It could be all pointing to that direction just to confuse people and make a big twist. But please, everything points to that direction. The saber calling to her, the relationship with Kylo, the copy-pasted context of Rey in a desert planet living as a slave (as her grandfather), Rey's speeder, Rey's rebel helmet, Rey's vision featuring Luke and Kylo, Maz Kanata's words... etc.
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    He told so to Luke Skywalker, yet he's not Luke's father.
     
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    I think the recent evidence in favor of Rey Skywalker is 1) KK and company doubled down on the "family saga" theme at celebration. If Rey was unrelated, then celebration would have been the time to start creating that context for the fans. But they didn't. 2) Hamill makes suggestions about Rey being his daughter and KK and RJ do nothing to contradict it. In fact, Rian's reaction, slapping his forehead, suggests an authentic response of shock. 3. Rian's response to EW about the red lines on Crait evoking the theme of blood lines. 4. The teaser poster is yet another analogy between Luke and Rey.

    And it also seems that Rey will spend most of her time with Luke in the movie, and Rian has said that her parentage will be addressed, with "twists."

    When you consider all these aspects (and probably more I'm not thinking of this morning) the evidence begins to favor Rey Skywalker.

    Just so everyone knows, I think Rey Random can be just as interesting a story as Rey Related. I just think Rey Skywalker seems to be the strongest possibility now.
     
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    Rey Random, from that Anch-to island with black smoke.
    Fortunately for this trilogy we have several directors and screenwriters!
     
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    There's nothing wrong with believing that to be true. It's the suggestion that it's "clear." If it were clear this thread wouldn't be over 430 pages. Even the vote is split. This is an evidence thread. There's isn't clear or new evidence supporting Rey Skywalker.
    This is another very common argument. Family Saga = Rey Sky/Solo. This isn't particular convincing either because even if Rey was a talking Moose this trilogy is still centered on the Skywalker family. It's certainly not evidence.
    Again, you're not providing evidence.
    Now I want to be clear. I love all these theories and the passion people have in their arguments. However, this is an evidence thread. So "I want this to be true" is okay, but it's not compelling and it's not evidence.
     
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    That's an original story! But Star Wars main plots are fantasy, and this theory is science fiction. I don't think they would go this way.
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    Over 430 pages because anything can happen, and films have twists and surprises. But storywise you can't say it's not pointing in one direction. Daisy herself said she felt the answer to that question is already answered in VII, and the two mysteries of such film are Rey and Luke, with many elements inbetween connecting both.
     
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    "It's not pointing in one direction." See? I just did it. (epic fail)
    When I watched TFA I thought she was a Skywalker. There's nothing in the movie supporting that idea other than Anakin's lightsaber causing a forceback. Could that be evidence? Perhaps, but does Luke's cave force vision on Dagobah suggest Yoda is his grandfather? No, the force isn't tied to lineage.

    Daisy also said that Luke obviously doesn't know who Rey is when they meet as well. What's obvious to her isn't necessarily obvious to anyone else.
     
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    Maybe we should define evidence more specifically in the thread because some here seem to be excluding circumstantial evidence, although people are put to death with enough of it.

    Rey Skywalker has a lot of circumstantial evidence -- evidence that by itself isn't direct proof but when taken together as a whole looks pretty convincing. We don't need a fingerprint to convict someone when we have probability created through the coherence of many disparate parts.
     
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    Hamill making jokes about Rey being his daughter and no one doing nothing is more a proof that she isn't Rey Skywalker.

    "okay, Mark is revealing that big secret months before the movie but we'll do nothing because....???"

    And Mark Hamill has prior spoiler-protecting experience sooo
     
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    Convincing to you and to some others, but less than convincing to me and others. :)

    To be clear I don't think there's evidence really supporting any outcome. Rey Solo seems to be thin ice based on the timeline introduced in Bloodline. Rey Skywalker only seems to be a possibility if Luke doesn't know she exists.

    My best guess is she's a random and I'm only basing that on that on the hunch by the Making Star Wars guys. Even they admit they could be wrong, but their track record has been pretty good lately.
    I have to admit the fact he keeps making the same joke about it does seem bizarre if it turns out she's a Skywalker. Hamill is such a lovable troll.
     
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    Nothing like hiding in plain sight...
     
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    I thought the lightsaber summoning her was because she is the reincarnation of the chosen one. It was originally Anakin's lightsabre so maybe that's why, but nothing to do with her being a Skywalker.
     
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    If Marks making daughter jokes, and RJ is saying the answer is emotionally satisfying, then there's only one answer.

    Solowalker, all day =]

    And hardly anyone is talking about it, they really nailed the mystery box haha.
     
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    KK was all around the convention. Disney's security would have immediatly some United Airlines treatment if he had spoil anything.

    (emperor)
     
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    But after ROTJ, there is very little reason for the force ghosts to continue guiding Luke, they can move on. We also hear Palpatine, Luke and Unkar plutt in the force back. i doubt Unkar Plutt is a guiding spirit, and Palpatine couldn't become a force ghost (unless some serious lore retconning occurs). For the Force back, the main argument is Obi wan directly referencing Rey, and that it is the last thing heard, and the clearest voice heard. why not have a Skywalker say her name? that would be more thematically fitting if she was a Skywalker, having Obi Wan as one of, if not the main voice in the force back is just unnecessary detail.

    I personally don't think it is Satine. I envision a Obi Wan spin off, which shows Obi Wan waiver in his duty to protect Luke, and on his adventure falls in love with a woman, but ends up having to leave her to fulfill his duty as Luke's guardian. Essentially learning how to finally transition from Obi Wan Kenobi, to Ben Kenobi.

    I feel it can easily be emotionally satisfying and relatively simple. Rey discovers that she is the descendant of some great hero, who taught the heroic Luke would be quite a revelation, and no more is needed in the film. We may ask, how is Rey related to Obi wan, but in ESB ppl also asked how is Luke related to vader?
     
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