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SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by master_shaitan, Feb 17, 2016.

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Is Rey the daughter of Luke Skywalker

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    11. Rey has to be a Kenobi, because the Skywalkers have friends and are impatient aggressive and sometimes very violent. While Ben Kenobi aka Obi wan was alone on Tatouine after the Sith took control of Anikan aka Vador and Kenobi is more patient than Skywalkers aka StarKillers and flows and feels the force while Skywalkers uses the force than feeling it. This concerns Rey being a Kenobi because she was surviving on the deserted prison planet called Jakou waiting for a family that will never come back and she's patient like a Kenobi, so makes this obvious that she's more a Kenobi than a Skywalker.
     
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    So you do like some critically acclaimed movies? Then why are you clicking "disagree" with my post? You're the one who seems to be disagreeing with yourself.
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    I understand what you're saying, but there's things to consider.

    It doesn't sound like Rey's origin was determined by the TFA filmmakers. So all these parallels are most likely just coincidental. The problem with the Kenobi theory is the backstory. Not only is she a relative of someone not even in TFA, but now it has to be explained how Old Ben had a force child he never trained?
     
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    There are a few options, maybe Bens imaginary child wasn't force sensitive or maybe he didn't even know he had a child.
     
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    Yep.

    I mean, we buy it with Vader not knowing he had TWO children...why couldn't it be accepted that Old Ben had a moment of weakness...
     
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    While I otherwise agree with the rest of your post, that's not what Daisy has said or that Johnson meant Rey's origin or overall backstory wasn't decided.
     
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    Where did you hear that it wasn't what Johnson meant? After he said that none of the story for Ep8 was planned, one of the biggest concerns was the mystery of Rey's parentage.

    If someone clarified that this was not the case, I totally missed it.
     
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    But saying he wasn't given certain point he had to cover in Esp 8 doesn't mean that they don't have a plan as I believe they know where the Trilogy is going just that they are giving the directors a lot of freedom in how the get there.
    Though this might just be me being optimistic but that is how I read the statement.
     
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    I took it to mean he was given the characters and setup established in TFA and do whatever he wanted with them. That doesn't mean he can completely make up everything that wasn't directly answered in TFA, just what comes after. Second, it's not like he was handed a blank check, a TFA Blu-Ray and told to come back with a movie; he was in constant contact with Abrams.
     
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    Daisy said that she finds it weird that there are still questions of her family after TFA. Rian said that he was free but still bound by the story started in TFA. So whoever they inteded Rey to be she is. Whether he addresses it or not.
     
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    Okay, I understand why you would think that - and you're probably right, but you stated it so authoritatively I thought you had actually heard something to that effect.

    It's hard for me to believe that JJ would had gone to all the effort of setting up clues (inducing the entire Forceback) without knowing what he was foreshadowing. But at the same time revealing Rey's identity is part of the story, and Johnson's comment made it pretty clear that nothing was mapped out for him. And when asked for confirmation he doubled down.

    I hope we get a Making Of book about this trilogy someday that tells the entire story.
     
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    Im sure we will and that's why Disney is so skimpy with bonus features on the blu-rays.
    So when that $99.99 coffee table book hits stores you almost HAVE to get it...
     
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    I don't know about Marvel Blu-Rays (I don't buy them) but Pixar and Disney Animation Blu-Rays are really solid, so the lack of special features seems to be Lucasfilm thing.
     
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    Right.
    They're going to save it for after 9 so they can keep it going until they decide the next saga...
     
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    Yeah, I was missing a word in there, sorry.

    Revealing Rey's identity is part of the story for TLJ and wouldn't have been mapped out, but her identity is also part of the context of TFA which Johnson has to follow.
     
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    Why do you even care if I agree or disagree with critics? Or if I like or dislike acclaimed or sucky movies? Are you an acclaimed reviewer on Rotten Tomatoes and your feelings are hurt? Do you have stock in Rotten Tomatoes? Did you produce, film, write any of those movies and it really bothers you? You don't like my opinions, then ignore or pass right over them.
     
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    If it's true (And I'm apprehensive to believe) that the sequel trilogy is based on Lucas' original treatment then it's entirely possible the writers and directors are working from a basic backstory that they've been allowed to embellish and expand while keeping true to the cornerstones. One would assume Rey's identity was a part of any treatment handed to individual directors. I find it difficult to believe, even if the development team didn't keep any of Lucas' story treatment, that Lucasfilm would have allowed a cheap director hired for a film to make story decisions. Lucasfilm would have made those decisions before hiring a director.

    These are lasting decisions that would affect the Star Wars saga moving forward, just as it was not Irvin Kershner who decided on Darth Vader's revelation to Luke Skywalker.
     
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    Lucas from what I have seen likes to distance himself from things he isn't in entire control. Many of the EU novels were written by authors who meet with him picked his brain and then after the fact Lucas maintains "that's their story I would do something different" (paraphrase). I think it is very possible that JJ and Kasdan tweaked GL outline but kept some, but Lucas would still acknowledge that's there story not mine. When colorization of old Black and White films became a thing he wasn't pleased saying that the changes to the films altered the directors vision. At the time (80's) he said eventually 3d will be a thing and I don't want someone else to change my vision.
     
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    True, but it also doesn't inherently prove that Lucasfilm respected George Lucas' original treatment, not that there was an obligation to. A larger question would be how much influence, if any, Abrams and Kasdan were given over the treatment for the sequel trilogy. It's in my opinion, based off what I've heard, that Lucasfilm approached directors with a story treatment, and a script that began with Michael Arndt and evolved with Abrams and Kasdan. As far as I know, this treatment had a female protagonist clearly defined, while omitting her legacy, but that her legacy was in place before Abrams.

    My assumption is that Rey's origin is actually not what was in Lucas' treatment, and something that was altered by Lucasfilm's internal development team before Abrams was ever brought on board. As I simply cannot comprehend a development team allowing a single director to dictate the future development of the Star Wars franchise, it seems foolish.
     
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    I find it very unlikely Lucas would have left her legacy undefined for the sequel trilogy of his magnum opus. Who the central character is is rather central to the overarching story, something Lucas took a keen interest in. They're not going to tell us what he planned at this juncture though, or even hint at it.

    In any case, we have no idea what Lucas planned or didn't plan, beyond the protagonist being a female Jedi and Snoke being based on a concept of his.
     
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    Yeah we're shooting in the dark. But I think LFL has suggested that elements remain. Lucas distances himself so I think that there is some room in the middle.
     
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