SPECULATION Is Luke Rey's Father? - The Evidence For and Against

Great find! It's certainly an interesting theory, and I think we've talked here about the events in the Forceback being tied to the lightsaber before, so I think that argument is only strengthened.

On the other hand:
• it's certainly not at all an obvious conclusion after watching TFA that Rey's parents would be scavengers - that ditched her on Jakku for some unknown reason - as Ridley implied was the case.

• it is only implied that Ben turned dark in 28 ABY because of him learning that Vader is his grandfather during or shortly after the events of Bloodline, but nothing more than that; unless Pablo has said something and I've completely missed it, it's not a bonafide fact that Kylo turned at this time (though it would make a lot of sense, it's still not fact: Luke was 22 in Empire when offered a place by Vader's side; Anakin was 22 in ROTS when offered a place by Palpatine's side; Ben would have been roughly 22/23 six years prior to TFA).

• another thing that is only implied, but has been projected onto by fans to the point that it is considered fact, is that we have no idea if Kylo and the Knights of Ren are decimating Luke's New Order or are in a completely different place at a completely different time.

• I think that the dish-helmed Clan Warrior/Leader is more likely to be a member of the Clan of the Toribota, one of which - Omisha Joyo - we saw in Rogue One last year.



Other than the round dish-like helm, the inclusion of the naming of the group - the Clan of Toribota - links in directly with how the character killed in Rey's Forceback sequence is referred to as a 'Clan Leader' in the script for The Force Awakens.

Furthermore, the visual encyclopaedia for Rogue One has this to say: The Clan of the Toribota is a nomadic enclave native to Isde Naha, a world on the trailing edge of the Western Reaches. Astronomical conjecture pointed them towards the moon of Jedha, believing the star in the system to be the first one glimpsed by their early ancestors.

The Western Reaches lines up with Jakku's side of the galactic map, sure, but even more telling is the proximity from Jedha to Jakku being astonishingly small:



So, in closing, I actually think that when we saw Kylo and the Knights of Ren in Rey's Forceback vision, what we're seeing is the slaughter of the Clan of Toribota on Jedha or Isde Naha - perhaps they knew Lor San Tekka's whereabouts, and were one of Kylo's last stops on the way to Jakku - and not the slaughter of Luke's Academy, which would consequently only then be depicted in the shots we've seen of his hand emerging from the rubble, him seeing the burning Temple, and him kneeling down, seemingly in despair, as he puts his hand on R2.

 

Welcome back! I thought you were gonna skip the Cantina until the TLJ premieres. I'm glad you are back, you are one of the most informative and polite members of this forum

 

Why are so many Star Wars fans against the idea of Rey being a Solo/Skywalker??? Even worse many want her to be a Kenobi?? I love Obi Wan as much as anyone, but that would be really dumb. I understand not using the Skywalker lineage outside of the original Saga besides mentions or cameos, but this Saga is about the SKYWALKERS! How bad ass would it be if Rey was Rey Skywalker. I for one would love it!! People say it shrinks the universe? I'd think her being a Kenobi would be the literal way of shrinking the universe. If she's a Skywalker it makes sense because this Saga has always focused on the family tree. This has been baffling me and I know it shouldn't, but it's actually driving me nuts. lol

 

I guess you're adressing a post to a guy like me. Why I do not want Rey to be a skywalker or Solo is because in my opinion the act of leaving Rey on a desert junkyard in a middle of nowhere would go very much against the character of the big trio from the OT. They might have been bad parents but they couldn't have been this bad to leave a child to a rude junk dealer. If she had been kidnapped, they wouldn't have given up on finding her. If they had had to put her into hiding, they would have given her away to a place where a psychologically sound person would have taken care after her, like Luke and Leia's cousin or some other close friend. Besides, if they had needed to hide her because of something, they would have done the same thing with Ben as well, since both of them are pretty much equals in Force capabilities and I cannot imagine another reason for why they would have hidden her.

 

Before the Force Awakens, I was indifferent to who her parents were. If I had learned that she was Luke’s daughter before seeing TFA, I would be ok with it. But the TFA we got, portrays a story that points away from Rey Skywalker. In the OT, the father reveal worked because we had nearly no knowledge of the prequel story. In the sequel trilogy, we have a lot more knowledge about the characters and what they did in between rotj and TFA. This is extra knowledge would make a Rey Skywalker reveal very hard to work, especially considering the TFA we got.

 

Thanks for the kind words @Lukee1811 ! honestly, it was just impractical to stick to in the end: with a new trailer having just come out, my mind is still in overdrive and randomly piecing things together, and it felt like torture not having any fellow fans to talk to about it.

I'm still actively avoiding TV Spots, international trailers, spoiler threads, the main site, MSW, etc., and am even skipping interviews until the premiere on the 8th, where I want to hear everything the cast, RJ and hopefully GL has to say about what they think of the film, followed by a week of complete radio silence.

Catching up with interviews/press junkets/Q&As, listening to the OST and flicking through the visual dictionary and art book will squash whatever it is that I think I'm missing out on until the film comes out (I hope) after the 14th/15th.

It's going to be a long ride, but alas, I'd rather make it with fellow superfans, so thank you kindly once again for the warm welcome

 

I don't want to defend Rey being a Skywalker or anything, but the ST has already f****d up the big three by disregarding many of their traits and developments from the OT. F*****g it up a bit more can hardly make things worse.

 

Even if I had the same opinion as you do on how they handled the OT characters in TFA (which I don't,) such a treatment of a five-year old child would still be an unforgivable offence to me. It's not just their lives being ruined, it's especially the life of their child.

 

I suppose you're right in that sense. However, I was not completely serious in my post. If Rey is Luke's daughter they can easily come up with simple explanation tha Luke didn't know he had a daughter.

Still, it's stupid. Even if I don't like the idea of Rey Random, it's the one that requires the least difficult explanation.

 

Against Rey Solowalker no. Just don't think that fits what we have seen so far. Its still possible but the more story they tell the less room they have in the story to make it happen unless they pull another "point of view" retcon.

 

But this is not about what we want, it's about guessing where the story group went. Not anything else.

 

I appreciate the feedback. I can see how it would be tricky to explain due to the behavior of Han, Leia and Luke in TFA, but

I can understand that concern, but it they could explain that she maybe was lost or presumed dead after the Jedi Temple purge OR we have a Darth Revan story in our hands and she was partly responsible for Luke's temple being destroyed and for the safety of the universe she was stashed away after her mind being wiped? I feel like there is reason why they are introducing more cognitive powers with the force like Kylo's/Snokes and it may have something to do with Rey not remembering her past yet being so powerful.

 

I don't think it should happen because it's what want, but more what George Lucas intended. Plus the EU books I loved most always had our Solo's Skywalker's have children of the force that made things quite interesting. It would feel generic or off putting for me to just have Ben Skywalker then Rey Nobody.

 

Yes but the EU is now Legends and it makes absolutely no sense as a writer to delete a whole universe to rewrite it one year later.

I for once absolutely don't care at all of who Rey's parents are, I rather focus on her future than on her past.

 

I think her future will involve finding out who her parents are!

 

And when you'll know, you will feel empty because it's not that important.

 

She will 'feel empty' too, because I think she wrongly believes Luke Skywalker to be her father.

 

All right, sir, I'll bite



Personally, I have no strong wish for Rey’s heritage – I’ll be good with any solution they come up with as long as it is well written and skillfully executed – however, I do believe TFA points to Rey being a Kenobi and not a Skywalker. Let’s explore…


The Skywalker option: +unknown/+ = Rey
I do not think this will pan out because Rey Skywalker is by far the most obvious solution, which makes the entire mystery pointless. Why spend all that time and effort on concealing Rey’s parentage in TFA only to drop the “bomb” that she’s a Skywalker after all, the easiest and most widely predicted outcome to all this? There would be literally NO reveal in that ‘reveal’. (Not to mention the very serious questions this option rises about Leia and/or Luke’s characters if they turn out to be the abandoned girl’s parent/guardian). The only way I can see Rey being a Skywalker is if this was not the original intention in TFA, but LFL has since somehow changed their minds and retcons it in their in-house notes and such, thereby rendering the original mystery of Rey’s parentage completely moot just to facilitate the "she's a Skywalker after all" resolution.

That said, should Rey indeed turn out to be a Skywalker after all, I will have nothing against it if done well, although I cannot for the life of me figure out how this could be done well (but I’m willing to be surprised).


The Kenobi option: +unknown = Rey's parent+unknown = Rey
The only reason why I think Rey will turn out to be a Kenobi is because she walks, quacks, Forces, and acts like one in TFA. Why would the writers, director, line coaches, casting people, story board, Kathy Kennedy, and scores others go out of their way to create a Kenobi vibe in Rey if it means nothing? Since LFL went to all that length foreshadowing Rey’s Obi-Wan-ness in TFA it is hard to imagine it not paying off down the line. Should it be just an elaborate red herring, however, this would be manipulative meta-story telling of the worst kind and I would strongly question LFL’s wisdom in choosing that route.

Again, I won’t be “disappointed” if Rey turn out not to be a Kenobi, but LFL’s behavior would be seriously weird if this is the case. Of course, JJ has overtly lied in the past to manipulate the film goers’ experience at a meta level, but that backfired rather badly and one would think JJ – or at least LFL – had learnt from that mistake.


The wager:
I’m so certain Rey is a Kenobi that I’m running a high-stakes wager over at the Casino, and I’m inviting you all – especially the hordes of you who think the Rey Kenobi option is utterly stupid and unlikely – to put your Space Credits where your mouths are and come place your bets on the matter

https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....y-is-revealed-as-a-kenobi-in-sw-ep-viii.9381/

Peace and love