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SPECULATION Is Luke trapped on Ahch-To and calling to Rey?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by techsteveo, Jan 15, 2016.

  1. techsteveo

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    Two questions:

    1. Did Luke have the means to leave Ahch-To or was he trapped there?
    2. Rey saw visions of the Ocean and Island where Luke is. Was Luke calling for her help?

    At night, when Rey would try desperately to sleep, she would imagine an ocean and island. She only saw this when she had "cleared her mind". All along she knew Luke's location but didn't know it.
    Yoda said "through the force, things you will see, other places. The future, the past, old friends long gone"

    Now the reason I bring this up is the poetry of it...
    Luke is trapped waiting for Rey.
    Rey is trapped waiting for Luke.

    Perhaps Luke isn't physically trapped on the planet, but like Rey, emotionally he is.

    It took a desperate situation for Rey to finally allow the force to guide her to Luke.
     
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    How do you know that as a fact ?
     
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    I had the same theory.

    Luke was asking the Force to help him. The Force finds Rey and sends her on the mission to find him. Luke might not have been specifically calling for her but just for help in general. Maybe Luke was calling for Leia but got Rey instead.

    I think Luke is trapped. He might have crashed his ship there or something destoyed it.
     
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    Know what?
     
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    Luke Slywalker and Rey are waiting for each other .
     
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    It's speculation, not something that he knows.

    Think he's right?
     
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    Do I ? I think it's almost 75% certain because of the look he has for Rey but I don't think that it wa stilly decided at the time of TFA, though .
     
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    I never thought of his ship being crashed or inoperable. Part of me hopes to see his old X-Wing parked on the other side of the island somewhere.
     
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    This is something I both hope is true and have expressed myself.
    My view is that the backstory will be Luke looking to rebuild the Jedi on Ach-to - going back to the old ways of doing things.
    He knew Rey and her parents and planned for Rey to come to Ach-to.
    Somewhere along the way Rey's parents are accosted by the KOR and have to ditch Rey on Jakku.
    They are likely killed.
    Luke is then stranded on Ach-to and ends up believing all is lost.
    Then Rey arrives. With the saber. As always planned. Just 10 years or so later than planned.

    I also think the dialogue from Yoda in TESB was the inspiration behind a lot that happened in TFA:
    The flashback shows the the future, the past and old friends long gone. And like you say, Rey see's other places in her dreams.
     
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    The writing of the force in this movie was influenced more by the dialog of Yoda and Old Ben Kenobi than the prequels that's for sure. JJ wanted a more mysterious and mystical force, not the scientific version we got in the prequels. Knowing that, we should expect the force to play a big role into the events that are about to unfold. I also think Luke will introduce some new ideas and powers thanks to his time in solitude at the First Jedi Temple. I would imagine they had him return to a Jedi Temple just so they can use that as a story telling device.

    The only way I can accept Rey as being a "nobody" is if Rey parents gave her to Luke to be trained in the force, with Luke being a father figure to her. NOTHING points to why she was abandoned though. They gave us no clues that I can think of.

    The idea that Luke and Rey are both WAITING for each other and neither willing to risk leaving due to the emotional damage they've received is pretty powerful and hopefully will be made clear by the time this trilogy is wrapped up.
     
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    I rather like the theory that Luke was using the force to contact Rey. Although I have to wonder isn't use this with Leia. Or maybe he did and it wasn't working?
     
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    I think Luke is not trapped, but is waiting, actually hoping that he is never found.

    He lost Ben to the dark side, and feared for his daughter's safety, as well as passing on the burden of being strong on the force.

    He wiped her mind/supressed her memory to protect her. He planted the idea to wait on Jakku for her family to return so that she wouldn't leave and put herself at risk of being identified for who she truly was.

    Luke went to Ach-To for his own education, and to seek guidance form the Force.

    He figured that if Rey ever showed up, it would be the Will of the Force.
     
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    Do you think Kylo is strong in mind control because he trained with Luke? I'm not in love with mind wiping as a story device.
     
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    I'm not a fan of the mind wipe theories either. It seems to facile for the Jedi and/or Sith to just go around wiping minds to further their agenda. I can see it being useful for those who are weak-minded, like how Kenobi described the Jedi mind trick, but for it to just be generally applicable to everyone, even others who are strong with the force? Who needs weapons if you can just erase their brains? And why didn't Luke mind wipe Ben Solo? It all seems too convenient a plot device and doesn't really make sense.
     
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    Could it still be properational ?
     
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    I think it is more representative of how the Force itself evolves throughout the saga.

    In the PT, it was more of a tool. A way to make supersoldiers.

    In the OT, it was that, but had more of a mystical lean to it.

    It looks to me like the ST is moving more towards a subtle understanding and use of the Force.

    What is more powerful, Force choking someone to make them talk as a magical interrogation device?

    Or crawling inside of their head to take what you want. Kylo's mind tricks are psychological rape. It is a much more disturbing use of the Force than what Vader and the Emperor employed.

    Luke's (hypothesized) mind wipe of Rey was a way to protect her. Not just from the "bad guys" but from the burden of her destiny.
     
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    (I can't remember where I read it... pretty sure it was on here, so if you are reading this and posited the theory, please let me know)

    I think Luke is stranded there by Kylo Ren. I think Rey was abandoned on Jakku by him as well, probably before Luke went to Ach-To.

    Kylo destroyed the temple and the new Jedi, kidnapped Rey and dropped her on Jakku because he couldn't quite bring himself to kill her. He told Luke and Leia (Han was probably already off on his own at that point) that she was dead. This event was what began to tear the family apart, leading everyone to where they are when we see them in TFA.

    He stranded Luke there for the same reasons, he couldn't bring himself to kill him, or knew he wasn't powerful enough so he set a trap for him that led Luke there and got him stuck. I don't think Kylo Ren handled it personally, but rather manipulated Luke into going there or had him captured and dropped off by Bounty Hunters (who likely didn't survive the job, but it was successful regardless).

    Meanwhile Kylo omitted some truths from his account of this feat when he told Snoke about it so he could get some more of that sweet, seductive Dark Side training.

    Kylo Ren has built himself up both in his own mind and in Snoke's eyes as a true Dark Side acolyte, even though he never actually was as evil as he's been saying. His first real steps came when he killed Han. Before that, his reputation was just that, a reputation. Sounded plausible enough to all involved.

    The real kicker is going to be when Snoke finds out the truth.
     
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    Sigh... they really should have put this stuff in the movie. I wanted to see more of Rey at her AT-AT house.
     
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    Kylo would have put 2 and 2 together more quickly if he had been the one to leave Rey on Jakku.
     
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    Pretty sure he did the math when that officer told him BB-8 had help escaping Jakku from a girl. I think he knows who she is.

    But I've only seen the film 3 times, so maybe you caught something I didn't. I'm only speculating, after all.
     
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