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SPECULATION Is Rey's training going to be successful?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jorgz, Nov 13, 2017.

  1. Jorgz

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    Tell me what you think!!!!!!
     
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    Probably not. I'm guessing she gets overzealous and overconfident, leaves against Luke's wishes... and then things go pretty bad for her.
     
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    I'm still wondering why she needs to train. Does she want to be a Jedi or is she trying to find out what this force thing is? Obi-Wan was always training Luke for a purpose. Luke wanted to train to be like his father. I don't see Rey going there to train, because that was never her desire. To go find out more about this force, and what she could be makes more sense than training to fight some people she doesn't know. She has no eggs in this fight.

    I think Luke is going to test her, but I'm not sure about him trusting her. That's all I can think about. Who knows if Luke even wanted to be found. If he trains her it won't be because of her ability. Kylo probably had that as well as Vader, and look how that turned out. He's going to test her character.
     
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    Good point. I too think her aim is less to "become a Jedi" than it is to understand what is happening to her, and how to control it...and why people like Kylo and the FO are seeking her out.

    I think her "training" will go ok, mostly. She'll first be overwhelmed by the presence of the "Greatest Jedi to have ever lived", but like he did with Yoda, she'll become irritated with him and his hesitance. I don't think she'll leave him like Luke did with Yoda (to run to save Han and Leia), but they'll leave together as Kylo is going to intervene and they'll have to leave the planet together.
     
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    I'm more curious over what is it going to take for Luke to leave the island. It has to be a good reason.
     
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    i definitely think that when she leaves Ach-To, she will have more 'tools in the bag'. She was already clearly on a steep learning curve.. so it's not difficult to imagine that she will be more equipped with force/saber than when she got there.

    emotionally... i think she may be worse off when she leaves, but that's just a hunch.

    so that would mean that training went badly wrong if i'm right.

    i'm hopeful that he leaves that island because he realizes that he is Luke Skywalker, and the galaxy needs Luke Skywalker... dagnamit!

    serious answer.. perhaps it's as simple as he can see that things are in motion, and that he is a big part of that.

    it's time.
     
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    I'm expecting that either;
    1. Kylo and the KOR will show up and a fight will ensue, and then they'll leave in order to find another elusive place for Luke to "train" Rey, or...
    2. Leia will summon them for perhaps Han's funeral, or another event that requires their presence.
    We seem to know that Kylo and (maybe) the KOR will show up on Ahch-To to confront them, but I think that Leia summoning them is what's going to be at the root of their departure.
     
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    Technically, she's not going there to train. She's going there to try and bring Luke back. Obviously as we've seen... she does train, but I hope they don't just gloss over what was set up in TFA. Rey needs to at least make an effort to bring Luke back. I don't wanna just see her hand him the lightsaber and go "tren me plz".

    I think perhaps she has a "secret" personal motive of learning more about the force and why exactly she has this power, and she thinks Luke will be able to help her understand it. I'm not sure if I agree with you though on your thinking that she doesn't have a dog in the fight. Enough has happened to Rey for her to see the First Order, or at least Kylo specifically as the enemy. They wanted the droid that she was harboring, he kidnapped her, he killed someone who she idolized and, even if for only a brief period of time, saw as a mentor... and he nearly killed a very close friend of hers. She might not have an ambition to be a Jedi, but I think she has a desire to do good and fight the First Order.
     
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    I agree that it is not her initial intent to go there to train, but at the same time I feel that it fits with her character.

    First we know that she is curious : she learned languages, she built and repaired ships, she's a scavenger, she tried Jedi tricks, etc... and here she is with a living legend and she knows that she has some abilities with the Force : it seems natural to me that she will ask him about the Force, the Jedi and try to be better at it. I think it's not unrealistic that she has some desire to learn about it, like Luke when he was younger.

    Second (and again like Luke) learning the ways of the Force may be a way for her to learn more about herself. She knows (or she can't remember) nothing and learning the force is also a way to learn about what she is, to become a greater master of her own life.

    The only thing she probably not realize is the fact that she is a powerhouse in the Force, not a standard force wielder.

    So there might be practical and greater reasons for her to train (like fighting for the good,etc...) but I really feel that she can be driven by simpler and more personal reasons.
     
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    Essentially, she wants to be a Jedi - but not because of some romantic idea of the Jedi (as Anakin may have had). Her reasoning, interestingly, seems to fall more in line with why Ben Solo embraced the Dark Side: Rey has this power she doesn't understand and wants to control. She's clearly anxious about it and likely scared about how she felt during her last encounter with Ren. And so she wants to become a Jedi to learn how to control the Force. Along side this, she also of course still thinks of her family - but I don't think she is actively prioritising that. TFA was about her moving forward. Having said that, there is probably also some sense in Rey thinking that Luke, in explaining her power and place in all this, may also point to where she comes from (what happened to her).
     
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    I could be wrong, but I hope Poe seeing right through Finn's excuse for why he rescued him is a recurring theme in this trilogy. Not just because it's the right thing to do. We do things because we want to benefit somehow. Lando didn't initially help the Rebels, because he had a city to protect. His stance changed once he saw how much the Empire was looking to take, and he knew he would eventually have nothing. The good fight is a nice reason, but people having personal motivations makes for a stronger strory. They fight harder.
     
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    Really not sure she'll be trained.
     
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    Well she did dive into tthat water. Luke must of told her to do it.
     
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    Well, you could say... it is not going to go the way you think?

    :p
     
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    JJ left Rey's motives wide open at the end of TFA - there's not a bit of dialogue about her departure. She says goodbye to Finn, and that's it. So there's plenty of leeway.

    After everything that happened on Starkiller Base, Rey's motivations likely changed. It's not a leap to think that those events made her feel like she had become part of the Resistance. We also know she made a choice to embrace the Force, and it's certainly not out of the question that she now actively wants to become a Jedi.

    We do know that Leia wanted Luke to join the fight against the First Order, but they never explain why she decided to send Rey to find him. If all Leia wanted was for Luke to come back, she could have introduced the two of them at the Resistance base after he arrived, so again, there is room for interpretation. It could be that because Leia knew what Luke's state of mind was when he left, she felt the best way to get him back was to send him someone new to train - to give him purpose again.

    I'm very curious to see how Luke reacts to this stranger appearing on the island, asking for his help, carrying his old lightsaber, bringing along R2, Chewy and the Falcon. You would have to think all of that would go a long way toward getting Luke to treat Rey like a friend.
     
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    I think Luke is more likely to learn from her than the other way round. Sure I think she will learn some techniques from Luke but I think as far as higher learning is concerned I think a lot of the secrets Luke has been looking for will be staring him right in the face.

    Rey is an enigma within the force like Anakin was and I think she is likely to provide Luke with a lot of answers.
     
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    I have to believe Leia just sent her as a messenger and nothing else. Maz could have said something to Leia, because we know at one point it was Maz who gives the lightsaber to Leia, but Maz told Leia to give it to Finn. I don't think Leia was thinking about Luke training Rey, because they don't have the time. They're in the middle of a war with very limited resources. I think Leia just wanted Luke back. Of course things won't go as planned, because of Rey being FS, but I don't know if Leia knew that before she sent her.
    I don't think Luke is going to be too pleasant about anything when he sees her. Of course we know he will, but considering what they had to go through to find him, he probably doesn't want to be bothered.
     
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    But if that's the case, why send Rey? Luke doesn't know Rey. There have got to be people around that Luke would know. She could just send Chewbacca and R2 with a holographic message. Sending Rey only make sense if Leia has an expectation that Luke will train her.
     
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    Will her training be successful... I guess it depends on what she is trained in. Looks like her swordsmanship will be better, but I still think she'll be raw and probably not ready to go up against Snoke or even a healed Kylo. If she has the setback that most main characters in a trilogy do in the 2nd installment, I'm not sure that that means the training she got was a failure... just that she may need more time to (as she said it) figure out her place in all of this.
     
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    "This is not going to go the way you think." - Luke
     
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