Is Rogue One Disney’s best Star Wars film yet?

Overall I really enjoy Rogue One, first act is a little clunky but definitely brings things together for a strong finish. It's definitely up there for me

 

Oh, definitely. The first half is clunky, but the second half is beauty and the Battle of Scarif is epic.

 

no solo is you peasant

 

Solo was fine, but I enjoyed Rogue One a lot more. Even though it's obvious how it'll turn out (people who stole the Death Star plans, wonder how that'll turn out?) it still makes it very engaging.

 

New to the forum, first post. Hi everyone.

I feel guilty typing my first post on a thread not dedicated to my two favorite SW movies, TESB and ANH. But it was the first thread I visited for good reason, I love RO, it's my favorite release since Disney took over, including live action TV and animation. Putting it simply, it's my third favorite piece of SW material after the before two mentioned movies.

Solo is fantastic too, and for the record, I love TCW, Rebels, and The Mandalorian and I really like the ST, The Bad Batch and TBOBF.

The ST is my least favorite, although some of it is good.

This place seems cool!

 

It is. Your feelings don't betray you, young padawan, you're strong with the force.

Welcome here and have a blue milk with us.

 

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I guess "Rogue One" is Disney's best Star Wars movie. However, I don't regard it as the best Star Wars movie I have seen.

 

I just read my review of "Rogue One" that I had written some four years ago. Right now, I think I might have to change my mind. I'm not sure whether the movie is the best Disney Star Wars production any longer. I still believe it's a first-rate movie. Butas for being Disney's best SW production . . . I will have to think on that.

 

IMHO, RO is definitely not the best Disney era SW flick, and absolutely not the best produced one. In fact, I think it's probably the most troubled SW production to date (with S:ASWS being the contender, of course). While it's a mess of a film (especially Act 2), RO sure is a fun watch (although S:ASWS, by comparison, is much tighter and more coherent, and a far superior movie). That does not mean RO isn't enjoyable, though, and it has some very entertaining scenes, strong performances, and great drama. It's definitelly a fun watch.

Problems with the film includes:
--Jyn is at least two different characters throughout the movie, possibly three (depending on how you analyze the role).
--Jyn experiences her character arc mid-point twice (i.e., saying goodby to her father); the second one is inferior and completely unnecessary.
--Actually, the entire Eadu sequence is superfluous (with the sole exception of Andor not taking the shot, although Galen Erso dies anyway so Andor's rebelling against the Rebellion doesn't amount to anything, really).
--Jyn goes all-in for the Rebellion only after the Rebellion kills her beloved father. Before this point, she wants nothing to do with the Rebellion.
There are other points, too, but those are the major ones, I think. At least as far as I remember at the top of my head.

The end result of RO is a weirdly put-together film, although one that I personally find enjoyable enough (primarily due to the ace performances and characterizations). But it would be very fascinating to study exactly what happened to the production of this movie! We're never gonna get a true making-of exposé for Rogue One, but I suspect that, again, as much as I enjoy the movie, the behind-the-scenes stuff is by far the most interesting aspect of the film.

Also, I fear we'll never get another Gareth Edwards directed SW project, and that makes me sad. I like the man... It would be great if they brought him in to direct a few episodes of the Andor show, down the line.

 

This movie surprisingly was satisfying! Indeed perhaps the best disney star wars movie

 

You're fully entitled to your opinion, my friend.
My favourite is TLJ, but R1 comes a close second, even ahead of TFA.
I can't help but think that they should have watched it before making TROS...because unlike TROS, R1 had heart. Every one of the characters was completely unforgettable, and personally I found Jyn Erso far, far more interesting than Rey - with respect to Daisy; not her fault how her character was written. More than anything, I really liked how it showed the 'good and bad' in everyone.
I like the idea, these days, of heroes and villains who aren't 'extremes'...there were some pretty nasty bad guys in R1, but there was also Bodhi Rook, and Cassian, although a good man, was forced on more than one occasion to kill innocents for the 'cause'. This edginess is what I liked, I saw it to a lesser extent in TLJ.

Great film, and I particularly liked how the main characters were depicted, unlikely heroes who still became heroes. I know that story meant they all had to be killed off, but I was genuinely saddened when they died.
Pity Edwards couldn't have made TROS...

 

Apart from being the best Star Wars Disney film, its one of my favourite films period!

 

You bring up a very interesting point. For all the talk about R1 being so different from other SW movies, and how it does seem to have a different, grittier look and feel, there is some heavy Iconography and Lore embedded in there. Fittingly so, Andor is very much the same. Rogue One made the Empire a seriously scary and oppressive regime. From the opening scene and how Krennic treated Galen, killed his wife and threatened his young daughter... Stormtroopers were actually menacing instead of clumsy cannon fodder, Imperial Officers were shown as cruel and calculated instead of merely arrogant sycophants. Vader was every bit, if not more frightening to a 42 year old me as he was when I first saw him as a 5 year old. It was real. It was visceral. But it was still very Star Wars. I don't like ranking SW movies or stories, because to me they each can mean vastly different things and touch me in different ways, but I will say that Rogue One is absolutely one of the best movies of the last decade, period, and in my top 10 of all time. I do think that once Andor is all said and done, this will be the standard for SW storytelling outside of the main Saga.

 

I think that right now, Rogue One feels, a bit surprisingly, like the most "complete" Star Wars experience right now as far as the movies go.

Solo feels like it ended on a cliffhanger that'll never be resolved.

And however you feel about the ST, I feel that it's fair to say that the era itself doesn't feel as fleshed out yet as it could. I hope, and expect, that this will change soon, especially with the Rey movie on the horizon.

But Rogue One now has Andor, a deep dive into the era with an additional trilogy's worth of screentime fleshing out its world and a few of its characters. And that'll be doubled next year when season 2 drops.

I have, time and time again, insisted that Star Wars is so much more than the movies. It's the video games, comics, books. It's the stories we tell ourselves with the toys, LEGOs, board games, fan fictions.

I know it's trendy to complain that the Original Trilogy era is oversaturated right now, and maybe that's true. But before that, Rogue One served as the ultimate promise of it. It was the Star War that we always wanted, a view into events we were promised in the first few lines of text in '77's crawl. It was an gritty war movie using some of the most advanced filmmaking techniques and equipment of the decade. It wasn't flawless (I have some issues with the pacing of the first half, at times) but looking back at it, I feel that Rogue One managed to establish a Star Wars universe that felt wholly original, while still being just at home in the universe it was inspired by.

As a big fan of the sequel trilogy, I can only hope that we get our own Rogue One some day. Maybe the Mandoverse movie will do that, or perhaps something later such as a film focusing on the fallout of the Hosnian incident. I'm afraid it's unlikely to happen anytime soon, but I can dream.

 

Hmmmm... I just reviewed this post, and WOW! The parallels between these problems with Jyn in R1 and Cassian in Andor are fairly staggering. I'm curious, @Angelman now that we have seen a deeper dive into Cassian's reluctance and then motivation to join the fight, does that maybe help smooth the edges in regards to Jyn and her journey?

 

Absolutely not, IMHO. Andor volunteering to join the Rebellion was earned -- it came at the climax of a long growth arc; whereas Jyn first doesn't want to join, then joins reluctantly for a chance to save her father, than goes all in and become more Rebel than the Rebels once the Rebels kill her father. In short, Jyn is insane.

No, RO is a mess of a movie (actually more like two movies slammed together). Andor is well-written and cohesive, which only (for me) highlights the problems with RO. That said, it is a fun watch, and several of the characters are pretty great, and I could watch it for Alan Tudyk alone!

 

I used to think so. But . . . I thought the movie's pacing for the first 20 minutes or so seemed rush, the actual heist of the Death Star plans seemed convoluted and badly constructed to me, and I didn't care for the use of superimposed digital likeness for the Leia and Tarkin characters. It's a really good movie, but I don't think it was the best Disney Star Wars movie or the best Disney Star Wars production.