SPECULATION Is Snoke a Sith Lord?

There's nothing wrong with having fun and speculating! Have at it, but just so everyone knows.... there are no Sith in The Force Awakens. It's canon now (visual dictionary). So... the only way they're Sith is if Lucasfilm is incompetent.

It's worth noting... the quote by Luke may or may be in the film. If it does it's likely in the first act and we don't have any context. We still don't know what Luke is thinking. It stands to reason if Luke thinks the Jedi need to end in the first act his arc is going to take him to a different place.

 

Nope, Anakin Skywalker killed the last Sith.

 

I think in TLJ, we are going to see some connections and explanations about the ancient times of the galaxy: ancient Jedi and Sith. RJ could link the old books that Luke is consulting with the arc of Snoke. Maybe he was there when these old books were written, maybe he saw the Jedi order rise and became hateful due to some reason related to the creation of the order. So maybe he was a Sith, not anymore. I could think of an interesting arc for Snoke in these lines. What do you guys think?

 

I think they've been pretty clear that he is a Dark Side Force User, but not a Sith. The Sith are no more. Highly unlikely that he is or ever was a Sith.

 

I believe it is either Plagueis or Bane. I don't care what they say. I truly believe it's Plagueis though.

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My wife asked if Tarken was Snoke when we watched R1. She isn't a huge SW fan like myself. But she did point out that he looked almost a foot taller than anyone else that was around him... I re-watched it and damn..she is right.. Weird.

 

I think Snoke is Luke and that's why he is not a Sith Lord.

 

In the EU there was an iteration of the Sith called the One Sith they dropped the Rule of 2. This may have been a the kernel behind !st Order and the Knights of Ren.

 

I want nothing less than for Snoke to be Plagueis. But I sense they're going for a Yuuzhan Vong (sp?) like premise.

 

He could still be Plagueis, I know Hidalgo has said that A: Plagueis was killed by his apprentice and B: There were no Sith in the force awakens but hear me out.
Plagueis was close to finding the secret of some kind of immortality, that much we know. This is my theory; Palpatine kills Plagueis and takes over the mantle of dark lord of the Sith. Plagueis body dies, but his spirit survives and takes control of the body. It would explain why snoke looks like a corpse; because in a way he is one. Snoke is weak as he is Plagueis spirit reanimating a dead corpse. That's the 'immortality' that plagueis discovered. Plagueis knows he can't beat Palapatine and that the Sith Order now belongs to Palpatine. So he renounces the title of Sith Lord and instead forms a new ideology or just carries on as 'Snoke', using the power of the dark side. He retreats to the Unknown Regions and begins attempting to rebuild his power, sensing that the dark side is at its strongest there. Palpatine too begins to obsess about the unknown regions, unaware his former master is already there, waiting, knowing that the Sith always collapse and fall- another reason why Snoke renounces the sith. After the imperial remnant travels to the unknown regions to build the First Order Snoke re-emerges and takes control, looking to achieve the same level of success as Palpatine did.

 

The visual dictionary confirms there are no more Sith as of TFA. Ren and Snoke are dark side force users. As for who Snoke could be, who knows? I'd love for him to be Plaugeis, but I highly doubt it. I say this because Plaugeis is my favorite Sith Lord. James Luceno's book(which in my view is his magnum opus) really made me adore the character.

If anything Snoke is probably going to be a new threat. And a part of me thinks he is going to be a rather ancient threat. One potentially tied to the First Jedi. I have a question for everyone: Why would the story group introduce the concept of the First Jedi temple? You could say it is meant to further develop the mythos, but really if it was just for that purpose then why bother?

It would be the Prequel Trilogy all over again where the world is cool but the actual narrative and purpose for that world is very small. This is a big hunch and admittedly I have no evidence to back this: I believe that Snoke is a far more ancient threat. If the Jedi knights were guardians of peace, then why do they protect people?

Most likely because there was a big threat. Another Force user who in turn could have caused massive harm. Could this be Snoke? To use a Legend of Korra reference, is he the main antagonist like in the second season? Or potentially a former Jedi Knight? Palpatine did state that the Midocholorians of the Force could be used to extend one's life. And while I do not see that aspect returning to canon, the idea of using the Force to live an extended, almost immortal life is very plausible.

And given Snoke's design, I can see it being quite deteriorating. But overall we won't find out until the movie releases.

 

Snoke is no longer Darth Plagueis or a Sith. Just like Maul was no longer a Sith. He WAS a Sith at one time. If not, then exactly what is he going to train Kylo Ren? He said he had to complete Kylo's training.

Snoke was once Darth Plagueis but not any longer. I bet ya...Sideous and Vader were the last two Sith Lords. That does not mean there cannot be a Darth Ren or Darth Rey in the future.

Darth Plagueis died but reanimated his own corpse and uses every bit of power to keep his corpse animated. He created Anakin in order to take over his body but it never worked out. Now he was going to use Kylo but now he may be more interested in taking over Rey's body by invading her medichlorians with his own force essence.

 

What if he is "the last jedi", a fallen jedi who knows the truth of the force from days of the past. Kylo says he is wise. Somehow he is Supreme Leader of the FO, so was he originally offiliated with the Empire, and then got elected to lead the remnants of it. He's high in political power and Force power.

 

Only my opinion here but.........

I don't think Snoke is Sith in any way, probably never was either, and as much as I would like a tie in with Darth Plaguis somewhere in this trilogy I don't believe its with Snoke. It has been mentioned a dozen times or so and confirmed by JJ; However, Disney will have the story arc for the whole trilogy boxed off BUT each installment is its own creature. Sure the story will continue to develop but each director WILL have their own creative input on their respective movies. I think Mark Hamill mentioning recently that he wasn't entirely happy with the direction that RJ was taking Luke in TLJ is somewhat evident of that and I'm sure they'll be more to follow before December.

I'm more on the lines of thinking that Snoke could possibly be Grand Admiral Thrawn. I haven't yet delved into the new book or any of Chuck Wendig's trilogy yet but reading some of the reviews and info from these books certainly has me thinking!

Snoke is said to be from the outer regions........as is Thrawn.
Snoke is said to have been around to see the demise of the Jedi and the birth of the Empire.......as was Thrawn.
Snoke says that the Galaxy deserves an Empire worthy of it (TFO)......Thrawn believed the same.

All that said; JJ said that Snoke was an entirely new character to the universe. Maybe RJ decided otherwise. I'm sure as long the main story arc isn't adjusted this 'change' may have been acceptable to Kathleen Kenedy......OR not and the whole retcon for that idea is to much, who knows?!

Personally I'd like Snoke to be a character who is merely force sensitive rather than a full blown, lightsabre weilding, dark side user who employs a full blown, lightsabre wielding, dark side user to complete Kylo Rens training. It'd be pretty awesome if Benicio Del Toro was this character.

Pick this to pieces and let me know what your opinions are

 

As seen in multiple posts in this thread, JJ, Pablo and others have said time and again there are no Sith in TFA. So going by this Snoke is not a Sith, unless they're employing some Kahn-esque lies.

That being said, we also know from lots of new canon material, the Story Group tries it's best to expand the number of Force-sensitive beings beyond mere Jedi and Sith.

Take for example Ahsoka. She was a Jedi, left the order, but became something else entirely. Technically she isn't a Jedi (anymore), but still a powerful Force-sensitive being.

So if there's anyway of Snoke being Sith, even being Plaqueis himself, he not only must've survived his own death, he also must've realized the Sith way didn't work.
Now where did we hear this before? With Yoda and his realizing the Jedi Order failed. There's talk about Luke having the same epiphany.


If it does turn out Snoke = Plaqueis = (former) Sith, his realization mirrors that of Yoda and perhaps even Luke. If the last case is true, this would give us some nice mirroring Story-wise.

Snoke survived being murdered by his apprentice - because of the (old) rule of two - and becomes a new type of dark side user.
Luke (through Yoda) encounters many troubles on his path and decides the Jedi have to go (interpreting this as the Jedi making place for something new).

Anyhoo, just some (beginning) ideas of how it could be possible Snoke after all is Plaqueis, which would give the Dark Side of the Force a similar progression as the Light Side of the Force, something something balance*



* sorry, couldn't resist

 

I'm still harbouring a fair amount of (probably foolish) hope that Snoke does turn out to be Plagueis, just because I think it would be great to bring some prequel era connections into the new material. However I am thinking that this is no longer likely, which of course may just be Lucasfilm working wonders to then give us an unexpected reveal further down the line. If he isn't then I really hope they've got something good lined up. The reveal of who/what Snoke is needs to be impactful and shocking.

Imagine if he is Plagueis though, and they announce a new spin off film to tell the background tale of who he is and how he survived (which I believe would be essential if they go down this route as most casual viewers wouldn't have a clue who he was or his connection to everything else). A spinoff from the point of view of two Sith, their rise, and their rivalry. Yes please.

 

I like the Plagueis theory. But wouldn't that mean when Sidious killed him, he cheated death and occupied the Snoke body, and did nothing about Palpatine's Empire. Does it fit in with him becoming Supreme Leader after the fall of the Empire. What if he was just Sidious' ex-apprentice.

 

What's the deal with Plagueis anyway, could he save himself from death or only 'save the ones he cared about from dying'? I think he's dead, but fair play to him for caring about some beings, even though that's not very dark side.

Snoke is wise and keeps his cool a lot. Maybe he's sedated because of his injuries. Lord of the dark side, possibly.