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Is the Original Trilogy Overrated?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by CTrent29, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. Jack_Forest

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    I didn't write that as an actual criticism, but an illustration of what would happen if the OT would get the same treatment as the ST is now getting.
    Still, practicing on a crop duster is not the same as flying a fighter jet into combat, so the point would stand, if SW was an actual sci-fi, and not a fantasy about space wizards.
     
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    Yes, it's true...it was inevitable anyway.

    The thing that I find funny, is that I know people that are too young to have ever seen the OOT and are the most vocal about it's unaltered release...as if they've seen it 1000 times. I even know someone that finally got to see it and then said "It was different...kinda rough!", and I just laughed and agreed. :)

    Either way, I'll never take the OT off of the top shelf of my favorites as it is front-and-center, regardless of the version. It was (and will always be) THAT THING that marked a time in my life...that opened my imagination, and introduced me to that galaxy of hope. For those reasons, it is the greatest of the lot.
     
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    To answer the question - oh, definitely not. The OT had an immeasurable impact on modern cinema. This film, together with Jaws kickstarted the VFX-heavy blockbuster era we're living in too this day. It made orchestral scores cool again, it popularised the Hero's journey as a template for cinematic storytelling in major studio projects, it began the great franchise boom, etc. Not only that, its impact on how we portray female characters in blockbusters is still felt today. EVERY female character, from Shuri to Elastigirl, from Furiosa to Padmé, from Rey to Wonder Woman, owes something to Leia and what she did onscreen between A New Hope and Return of the Jedi.

    Is the Original Trilogy perfect? No. So far, there hasn't been a SW trilogy that is consistently great, like Toy Story, Three Colours or Lord of the Rings and the Sequel Trilogy definitely won't join these ranks, either (let's just say The Force Awakens is flawed, much more so than people give it credit for and I'm not taling about "lack of backstory" here, because this complaint has way more to do with fans' attitude than actual filmmaking issues) but does it automatically mean that it makes it overrated? Nah. Sure, these films tell simple stories but, as proven by Toy Story, Roman Holiday, Mad Max: Fury Road and countless other films - just because it is simple it doesn't mean it's bad or worse than more ambitious projects. It's the execution where it counts and the first two installments of the OT do their stories so damn tightly and well that it doesn't matter. So, the OT - still good.
     
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    I can drive a tractor. Let me command a tank in battle damn it!
     
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    I realize that "A NEW HOPE" and the two films that followed were something new back in the late 1970s and the early 1980s. But I have also noticed that from an artistic point-of-view, I thought it had its flaws. Whatever "impact" the Original Trilogy had on modern cinema, I'm not going to pretend that it had no flaws. And when people do that, I feel that the movie is overrated.
     
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    I'm not denying their flaws. All films are flawed because people who create them are flawed. I get your sentiment - hearing constant praise for something that clearly isn't perfect can be annoying, especially if we're dealing with properties from the past (heck, people are becoming nostalgic for TFA, a two-year-old film!), as they are constantly viewed through rose-tinted glasses. Still, there is a reason for why these films are considered classics - simple, but effective story, universal themes, memorable characters, iconic world design, wonderful music, tight editing and powerful message about trusting yourself and


    In face of these virtues the drawbacks of these films become insignificant (unless we're talking about Return of the Jedi, as this film loses some of strengths of the previous two entries.) Long story short - I agree with you that yes, one should always have at back of one's mind that ANH and TESB aren't perfect, but their flaws are in my mind not significant enough to call these films "overrated."
     
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    If you play this game every movie is overrated because every classic is treated this way because it's flaws don't matter when the good outweigh the bad like they do in most instances.

    There's no such thing as a perfect movie.
    But when you stand the test of time for 40 years and become a linchpin of modern cinema, you will be revered to the highest degree.
    Star Wars is so deeply embedded into the zeitgeist of our pop culture you can say "I am your father" to most living humans on earth and they'd know it's a Star Wars reference in a second. They know a lightsaber and the force.
     
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    T2 is a perfect movie

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  9. CTrent29

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    Perhaps you feel that way. I don't.



    The Original Trilogy is still overrated to me. You claim that it's not a perfect movie. Okay? Why? Why do you feel that way? Do you have any idea how hard it is trying to find someone willing to point out the Original Trilogy's imperfections? I know a lot of good movies that have withstood the tests of time. But a lot of people have this bad habit of ignoring or turning a blind eye to their flaws and pretending that they are perfect.

    I can think of two comic book movies that I personally regard as my top favorites in that genre. Yet, I don't ignore their flaws. I have even commented on or discussed their flaws. This is my real problem with the Original Trilogy films . . . or should I say with a lot of the trilogy's fans. A lot of fans either pretend they do not have any flaws - mainly the first two films. Or they pay lip service to the idea that they're "not perfect", but don't even bother pointing out the movies' flaws.

    Why is it such a damn problem acknowledging that the Original Trilogy had its flaws or even discussing their flaws? Especially those flaws found in "A NEW HOPE" and "THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK"?
     
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    People do it on here all the time.
    We talk of the pacing issues. Every Star Wars film has pacing issues.
    ANH goes through long stretches where virtually nothing happens but the good is good enough it's worth the wait.

    There are serious structure issues that are only fixed because it's a trilogy.
    ESB benefits entirely from being a second film and has to do virtually no characterization and can jump right in to plot stuff without a blink.

    But again, they work because the good outweigh the bad.

    Most people don't harp on the flaws of things they love. That's why they love them.
    Yeah, the OT has issues. But I love them regardless of their issues because what they do right is so much greater.

    I know this is probably some roundabout way to bring up how you feel people mistreat the PT (because almost all of this stuff does) but the fact is, the OT has stood the test of time for 40 years. Flaws and all.
     
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    Lol, it's got plenty of flaws, and nobody will dispute that. but there had never been anything that was like it...it kind of set a bar in the Sci-Fi/Fantasy realm, and there are SW references everywhere...especially in television. I see or hear at least one per week, especially on the network stations.
     
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    Okay . . . the Original Trilogy has plenty of flaws. Like what? Can you name a few, instead of responding with "there had never been anything that was like it"?
     
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    The Original Trilogy is brilliant!

    There's a nice video here of James Marquand (Richard Marquand's son) talking about his time on the Return of the Jedi set:

     
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    Primarily, I thought that some of the acting and scenes were a bit clunky and a little melodramatic (but not nearly as bad as some in the PT), as well as some of the VFX were obviously Gen 1, but back then it was cutting edge. What's weird is that even though I'm agreeing with you on certain points, you ask for an explanation for why I'm agreeing on your points...weird. :)
     
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    Really? I rarely encounter such criticisms. Even on this board.



    I didn't even know that you had agreed with me until this particular post. Or . . . I don't know. Perhaps I had missed a previous post of yours?
     
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    Because there's still more good than bad and the good makes you ignore the bad.
     
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    Couldn't you have answered yes or no?
     
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    First, let me be taken aback by you actually using the quote feature. Might be a first.

    and no, because rarely are things simply yes or no. If the nuance of it scares you or derives you of the answer you WANT rather than a more accurate one, I do not know what else to say.
    I can say I've seen plenty of times where people note the pacing issues especially but the thing is, they don't care because just about everything else is so on point.

    I'm just really unsure of your end goal here. The OT has flaws. But people still love it anyways because the good vastly outweighs the bad. Most people don't spend time hating on something they love. That's a much different phenomena.
     
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    this term overrated is now being overused, nowadays that's all you hear, this is overrated, that is overrated, blah, blah, & blah. If its overrated to you just move along, find something that intrigues you. If the OT is not your thing cool films are subjective. If the PT is your thing cool films are subjective.

    The OT is rated a big 10 for me; if you disagree then so be it.... hahaha

    Soon when the GoT popularity starts to wane that will be overrated too...:rolleyes:
     
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