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Is the Original Trilogy Overrated?

Discussion in 'Original Trilogy' started by CTrent29, Jul 16, 2018.

  1. CTrent29

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    Oh my God. This is just too much.


    You really don't understand what I'm trying to say, do you? Or is it that you just don't want to acknowledge what I'm trying to say? Is that? Because you keep misinterpreting everything I'm trying to say. Jesus. Pop culture fandom, these days.

    You know what? As far as I'm concerned, the Original Trilogy is overrated. Yes, I'm a fan of it. But I think the prevailing view of these films is a bit over-the-top . . . to the point that many fans turn a blind eye to its flaws. So yeah . . . it's overrated as far as I'm concerned.

    Now, you can misinterpret what I just wrote and post another propaganda piece about how these films are the greatest ones ever made. Knock yourself out.
     
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    How, exactly?
     
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  3. CTrent29

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    Isn't it amazing how many have acknowledged that the Original Trilogy is flawed, yet refuse to point out or explain its flaws?
     
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    Nope.
     
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  5. CTrent29

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    Oh, I guess this means that you've turned a blind eye to this little phenomenon.
     
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    Every film has flaws. There's this silly idea in our modern everyone's-a-critic-culture that you can't love a movie that has flaws. Like, it's suddenly this noble project to seek out the flaws in a film to prove that it's not really that great after all.

    But even great films have flaws. The flaws in a film don't necessarily negate greatness.

    The Original Trilogy might suffer from some awkward special effects, some moments of poor acting/dialogue, some pacing issues. But the excellence in them vastly outweighs the flaws. More objectively, the films absolutely changed pop culture and film history. And they still resonate with viewers after 40 years.
     
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    Turned a blind eye to what?

    My response of "Nope" was to your question in the thread title.
     
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    This seems kinda like a specific case...

    I've seen tons of people with very specific criticisms of the OT.
     
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    And retcons. Retcons upon retcons. In ANH, the threat of the death star was supposed to keep the planets in order, but its absence apparently didn't stop the empire from being able to threaten Cloud City with its garrisons and force the rebellion to flee off of Hoth. Leia was Luke's love interest in ANH and ESB, but Leia was changed to becoming his sister in ROTJ for a plot twist to address a line of dialogue in ESB. Worse yet, the retcon with Luke's sudden brotherly feelings for Leia are the reason he goes dark and crazy on Vader, not his force choking on the guards at Jabba's palace and dooming the guards on Jabba's barge to a very long and painful death in the Sarlacc pit as defense. And of all the reasons that Vader could come up with its "if perhaps you will not turn to the dark side, perhaps she will"- being that Leia may possibly turn evil. How? How would Vader or the emperor do that, especially after Leia's nerves of steel in the interrogation room? I know that it was just a taunt to provoke Luke, but it doesn't seem logical.
     
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    The title of this thread reminded me of this scene from Spaced:

     
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    Overrated no. Is it being used to cripple later trilogies by placing expectations on newer stories that cannot be met nor should be? Yes. The OT is brillant and beloved. But my heart also loves The Prequels precisely because they are different from the OT, a different vision of A Galaxy Far, Far, Away... I enjoy what the ST has added to the SW universe and find each iteration a Kyber Crystal from the Force. I do not expect ST to live up to the OT, I want it to be different. We sometimes forget once upon a time Vader was a new villain, and all that we hold dear was novel and fresh. So in that spirit I look for the next fresh and different suprises with each addition to the saga. I look back at Dooku, Jango, Windu, Padme, Anakin, and even Jar Jar are as familiar and endearing as Wedge, Luke, Han, Leia, and C-3PO. I already am feeling the Sequel Trilogy doing the same as Kylo Ren, Finn, Poe, Rey, and Rose become like familiar family members (ones you like as well as love). I also include my EU peeps of Revan, Mara Jade, Dash Rendar, Ulic-Qel Droma, and Darth Malgus.
     
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    Do you really want that? Do you really want to dissect them like the ST films are dissected? We can do that, but dont think you really want to do that. Well at least in 1 thread. It certainly has been done across other threads.
     
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    “You underestimate the power of the Dark Side!” (dark)(emperor)

    Luke proved Leia could be turned, because despite his platitudes he was seduced and began bludgeoning his father. Luke knew because Vader was thier father, there already is a pull to the Dark Side in their blood: “the promise of your bloodline.” (Snoke).
     
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    From time to time, it's useful to apply the same kind of scrutiny and in the same way as it's applied to the ST films. If only to highlight just how spurious and specious a lot of the negative criticism of those films is.

    It's not something I'd want to make a habit of a living out of though.

    #100thpost
     
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    I think the issue is when people hear the word overrated they equate it with "bad". And while, sure, when the word overrated is used by people, a lot of times it's to describe something they think is bad, there isn't really a correlation between the two. I've said it before on here and in other places as well, there are parts of The Empire Strikes Back that I just don't like. I would never go as far as to say it's a bad or even subpar movie though, it's still very good, great even. However, I've seen people before call it one of the greatest movies of all-time and if that's the scale that we're going by then yes, to me, it is overrated.

    Like with most things, it comes down to preference, perspective and understanding.
     
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    The cultural and historical impact of the Original Trilogy influences people's reactions. Whether the films themselves live up to that impact is up to each to decide for themselves.

    In the end, the OT is art. Like all forms of art, the interpretation is up to the observer. Some people will criticize an artist for an awkward brush-stroke here or there, and some will simply enjoy the painting. :D

    I've been a Star Wars fan for a long time. I've seen criticisms come and go. It is important to be critical of everything, and I mean everything, but don't let criticism be your entire focus. That leads to the dark side. ;)
     
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    Some of those I dont believe are retcons. The Empire already had planets mostly in order. The Death Star was meant to be the ultimate iron grip to control the few systems acting up and discourage any others from having ideas. Threaten Cloud City and Rebellion flee Hoth. That is stretching it a bit. Leia was not Luke's love interest in ESB. Luke was Leia's way to make Han jealous early in ESB. Luke has what 3 scenes with Leia in ESB. When his is recovering, when she gets him from Cloud City and when Lando leaves after Luke gets a new hand.

    Still there are many other real flaws that could be talked about if people really want to dig into the OT and give them The Last Jedi treatment.
     
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    People do all the time but know what their response is?

    "It's a product of its time, so it's okay to have those flaws"

    In reality, it's just a cop-out
    --- Double Post Merged, Oct 19, 2019, Original Post Date: Oct 19, 2019 ---
    I personally wouldn't mind people acutally do that. I just wish people would judge all the movies with the same criteria.
     
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    Is the OT overrated? No. Sacred, yes. Without it there is no Prequels, Clone Wars, Sequel Trilogy, or EU/Legends. Any excessive and malacious criticism of the OT is to attack the Golden Goose that has lain the eggs that have hatched our favorite stories.

    Just some rambling thoughts of mine.
     
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    Largely a generational thing. Kids are impressionable, and they love to have their heroes to look up to and to pretend to be.

    As others have said, there was nothing quite like it back then. Yes we all know those movies are full of plot holes and retcons, but the experience can't be duplicated for the kids of that age. If the OP grew up with the PT then those films are magic for him. It's natural that the OP would be defensive about what he loves.

    PT and ST are interpreted and experienced differently by generation. For a fanboy in their 50's how could Rey, Poe, Kylo, etc, ever have a chance of being heroes.
     
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