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Is the PT really all that bad?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by rvtv, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. rvtv

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    I personally like the prequels. In TPM you have the battle of the fates. Which has some amazing choreography.Then AOTC which has Obi-Wan vs Jango Fett, the battle of geonosis, and Yoda vs Dooku.
    In ROTS you have the battle over Coruscant, Obi-Wan and Anakin vs Dooku, Obi-Wan Vs General Grievous, Order 66, the droid attack on the wookies, Windu VS Sidious, Yoda vs Sidious, and Finally Anakin Vs Obi-Wan. Plus much more. Besides a few stumbles along the way I really like the prequels. Anyway I really want to hear want you guys have to say so just debate down below and also tell me what you personally think about the prequels.

    May the Force be with you.
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    Yes I hate Jar Jar
     
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    You can ask this question for each trilogy and you probably would receive different answers. I doubt there is no answer that could be deemed as a fact, instead of just another opinion.
     
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  3. Trevor

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    I lined up for the OT (I was 10 in '77) and am an "OT always first" fan, but I've always been amazed (and a bit bewildered) at those that are staunch PT opponents...I just never understood it.

    Look, when RoTJ came and went, there (aside from the books) was no more coming as far as movies were concerned, and during the course of that time, we had Starlog magazine (some of which I still have) and we read the interviews from GL that hit and missed on Anakin and his story...and we wanted to know that story.

    Ya' know, even for all of the PT's shortcomings (I won't call ANY of it "Failings"), it was the story that I waited for...whether it was exactly what I expected to be or not, I still got the story, and wouldn't trade it, because i waited so long for it.

    Bad?? No.
     
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    I personally like the PT. I know there not as good as OT but I accept them as they expanded the SW lore a lot. I was in the 5th grade when Episode 1 came out so that was my first SW experience in the theaters, however I did own and watched the OT (pre-SE) before Ep 1 came out, so the OT was my first SW movies that I saw. I personally think Episode 2 is the worst of the PT. I pretty much skip every scene that deals with Padme and Anikan. Jar Jar doesn't really bother me, I can see why people hate him though. I know this isn't a popular opinion but I personally found C3-PO in the OT just annoying as Jar Jar. One thing though, the PT doesn't age well at all. The CGI is terrible and stands out pretty bad especially if you're watching it on a 4k TV. EA Battlefront II animation is better than what we see in PT. I hope Disney/LFL re-release PT with updated CGI because it didn't age well at all.
     
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    You listed a bunch of ‘battles’. If that’s your benchmark for a good movie, then I guess the PT probably would be pretty terrific.
     
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    In 1999 that CGI was amazing for the time. Never the less good post.
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    Im just listing certain elements of the story that I liked and enjoyed. Is that a bad thing?Plus I said and will say again there was some bumps in the story telling and such,but the actors were good, and just how Anakin would do anything for Padme. even turn to the dark side. I also like the bond between Qui -Gon and Obi-Wan, and how Obi-Wans and Anakins friendship seemed to get rougher and rougher as things progressed. Not to mention there is some pretty great emotion in the characters. Such as when Schmi dies, and when Obi-Wan is saying talking with Anakin on Mustafar.
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    At times Hayden Christensen is pretty bad.
     
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    Of course it's bad. The acting and dialogue is still atrocious. The characters are still flat and completely unlikable. The politics and endless committee meetings are still stilted and boring. The actions of the characters are still nonsensical. Jar Jar Binks is still the most reprehensible character ever created for film. And the CGI is still overdone and video gamey. Nothing will make those movies good. They will always be mediocre.
     
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    Of course?? Like your opinion is the ultimate description of these films that everyone should accept? I don't think so.



    I also feel the same about the OT, despite its shortcomings.
     
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    The PT didn't age as well as the OT.
     
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    No, and I’m sorry if I gave the impression that it was. The prequels certainly do sport a decent number of impressive set pieces. They make for some good Youtube clips :)

    For me though, I find the characters (their assorted motivations and interrelations) to be empty and ineffectual. I don’t empathize or relate to them and have zero investment in whether they achieve their respective goals or not. Characters are always my entry point into any story. If I don’t connect to them, then I don’t connect to the story and I don’t care how remarkable the visual dynamic is. It’s just things happening to other things then.

    Film, like any other art form, is subjective. If you do connect to the characters, then that’s all that should matter to you and that’s not a bad thing either.
     
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    It is my favorite trilogy. Added so much to Star Wars. Not to mention it has an excellent companion piece with Clone Wars that add even more depth.
     
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    I agree, especially in Star Wars. Rogue One is the only outlying film where plot supersedes the characters and I expected that. But in most cases, I need the characters to latch onto.

    Where the OT went right, largely just by the nature of being made at the time it was, came from using practical characters. It can be too difficult to connect with all CGI characters mixed with real people for extended periods of time, especially as those effects age and become less impressive.
    How the Marvel movies hold up, 10, 15, 20 years down the road will be incredibly interesting.
    Practical characters, even when it's obviously not great effects, hold up better because they are real tangible things.

    When I first saw the PT and so many characters were of CGI origin and it wasn't always seamless, it became more and more difficult to stay connected. It didn't always feel like the human characters were really with the CGI ones, and I think it played heavily into the acting choices (or lack thereof) in those films.
     
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    I think a lot of them already don't hold up, even if they were decent.

    Their special effects (and visually in general) tend to be passable, but not overly impressive.
     
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    Well the early films are already 10 years old, and the CGI is, as you say, passable. I mean more GOTG (3 years) and now Thor Ragnarok, which are more CGI character heavy.
     
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    Not much I can say here on account of what I would say is purdy close to what @Trevor said ^up^ there, we're both the same age (fer whatever that's worth).

    When it was told that there was to be a Prequel Trilogy twenty years ago, I was excited as hell.
    Two years after, I went and saw.
    I went in expecting One thing.
    To be told a Story.
    And I was.
    Was twice more after that.
    Nope, wouldn't trade 'Em for Nuthin'.
     
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    I love the prequels, even though I don't think they're particularly good movies.
     
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    I don't particularly care for the prequels (I like to joke that The Clone Wars are my prequels) though I respect the story Lucas was trying to tell: the hubris and corruption of the Jedi. They significantly expanded the world and the lore and that is the thing I take from them into my Star Wars vault. There are scenes and characters (Ewan's Obi-Wan, for example) I like, there is music (naturally), but I rather enjoy them as a one big story than three individual movies. There was a great story hidden in them but, alas, they are what they are and they are the part of the Saga, whether we like it or not.

    I will, however, never understand the hate and stupid things said about them like 'Lucas raped my childhood'. There is something seriously wrong with people who have this outlook. Those are the movies, for heaven's sake. I am glad that there are people who like them or outright love them and I think that's great.
     
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    I think it started because people thought that was it for Star Wars. And South Park really started off the whole "raped my childhood" thing which made it really catch on.
    If they knew more Star Wars was on the horizon, I really don't think the hate would have been as bombastic.
    I know personally, my disdain for them has really died off after TFA and knowing we will get plenty more tries so I don't have to be so tied to any one set of Star Wars film
     
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    For me, with few exceptions, the players in the PT don’t have any real agency or ownership over the parts they played. The performances feel like just that, performances. They don’t give the impression of authenticity to me. They’re just actors that are acting - saying words that someone else gave them and disengaged to whether it makes any credible sense or not. I don’t believe for a second that they’re real people reacting organically to one another or the environments they’re in. It all seems placidly staged to me and unnatural.

    That’s not a knock on the talent themselves. Any acting troop would be lucky to have such a cast part of their company. They’re all more than capable of giving compelling performances. It’s a criticism on Lucas’s style of direction with regard to his performers. I don’t think he ever strongly advocated for his actors to own the characters they were portraying. They were just props to him - components of his work to be placed here and there and provide function. It wasn’t a product of collaboration or that dreaded word ‘synergy’. It was a group of employees working to fulfill their employer’s objective - a dispassionate enterprise.

    That’s a lot of inference on my part, but that’s how those movies read to me - vapid enactments of fantastical situations that only include people out of necessity, not purpose. I can’t speak for anyone else, but that’s why I don’t find them enjoyable to watch. Not because of computer imagery or plotting, but because I don’t buy that these characters actually exist in this far away galaxy.
     
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    This is so on point.
    Nothing felt organic about the characters. Like it was a play within a movie designed to tell the story of Anakin Skywalker.
    Except it wasn't.
     
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