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Is the PT really all that bad?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by rvtv, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Jayson

    Jayson Rebel Official

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    I think it's a bit much to expect audiences to expect films of the same series to not feel like the previous films to them just because it's a different kind of story.
    Telling a different kind of story doesn't inherently require changing how the film feels in identity to an audience.

    Lucas didn't have to change everything as much, but he did. And he did so for very specific purposes. That was his choice. He wasn't stuck with it by consequence of not having Han, Leia, and Luke. He's been rather open that he specifically chose not to make the films aesthetically like the previous ones.

    That said, I disagree that they didn't feel like the old films. They felt very much like the older Star Wars films, try as Lucas might to deviate - his hand is still his hand.
    The main difference in how they feel is that the older films were actually tighter and were far less relaxed.
    There is a lot of slower shots, as well as more dead space in the prequels, and the dialogue is far less punchy than the original series' dialogue.

    That makes sense. This time around, Lucas had the freedom to go about things his way rather than having to sacrifice for deadlines he was running drastically over, and further still, he didn't have to rely on anyone else for approval this time around, so he didn't have to give anything up that he didn't want to in the edit, nor did he have to rely on anyone else for the script writing. It's just "Written by: George Lucas", and he is very open about his dialogue not being that great, and being very wooden. He usually hired people to punch up his dialogue and make the films more nuanced, but he really wanted to finally just make his own film entirely as he intended without adjustment this time around.

    That will absolutely change everything about how the film feels. If the last time you made films for the series, the pressure was at maximum, budgets were running over, time was far past ran out, technical capability was always behind the curve and scrambling to keep up, arguments were constant about how the film should feel, runtimes were wildly out of control and not permitted to exceed standards, edits were being made down to the last minute, and union fights and lawsuits were constantly having to be fought at every turn, and this time around the environment was one of near wish-fulfillment with no pressures bearing down upon the production in one thousand megaton impending doom ... the output is going to be felt, because the latter film will feel more relaxed, more exploratory, have less pushed upon it to tighten the belt, trim the fat, and bring it in.

    I don't think these are bad films; I like them.
    But I do think that it's a bit off to think that audiences shouldn't have been expecting the experiential identity of Star Wars to remain consistent with new film additions.

    They did. They do. And they always will. That's why there's people who are hired to do nothing but work on content consistency in large films from an established franchise of films. Whether they fail or not is a different matter, but there's tons of money spent on aligning new additions to previous iterations.

    The big thing that I see as Lucas kind of missing the mark on was communicating this shift to the audience in the marketing plan.

    The ST made it part of their marketing plan when TFA was coming; they made sure to plug the implication of things returning to the original style more than doing a new style, or revisiting the PT style.

    Lucas didn't talk about the style in his marketing for the PT. It wasn't there as a message. Nothing spoke about implying of a different sensation; in fact, it did just the opposite. Most of the marketing centered around communicating the idea of experiencing Star Wars 'once again' or 'like before' ... not 'like never before'.

    That's going to set up the audience, who already has a bias of expectation for a film series to perpetuate its own identity in experiential sensation, to feel jarred when they walk in and get delivered something that jumps a bit to the left of how the first iterations felt.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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  2. IlhamKamaruddin

    IlhamKamaruddin Rebelscum

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    After the 20th anniversary of The Phantom Menace, I decided to watch through the whole prequels after quite some time and really wanted to take in all of it as much as I can.

    One thing I have to emphasise is that these films does not deserve the hate it was given. I find the hatred to be very immature and childish, especially with the fact that fans personally targeted individuals which is not good. Though, I am very grateful love for the Prequels has grown dramatically since release and was thrilled after watching all three films.

    I have to say this : I love Star Wars. The films are no way perfect but this is the story to be told and I love the story being told throughout the Prequels. It's different from what has come before ( or after ) and it expanded the horizons on the Star Wars universe. I totally agree that these films needed help here and there but they are great films.

    Though they may still be in the lower halves in many of our 'most favourite SW films ranking', I truly believe they are not bad at all and are great films of their own.

    Thanks George and co. for these films and I truly hope to see more content to be explored near this timeline.
     
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  3. Kato Sai

    Kato Sai Clone Commander

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    I have been rewatching the Prequels and frankly they have worn well. In particular TPM, which for the 20th Anniversary I bought digitally. I was impressed by Qui-Gon, who has so mich compassion, while Kenobi is wuite bigoted, “why do I have s feeling we’ve picked up another pathetic lifeform.” I enjoyed the Gungans, even Jar Jar Binks (sacrilege I know lol). I feel Binks was best in his Naboo scenes, on Tatooine he’s excessively obnoxious; perhaps its because the “sun isa doin murder to my skin.”

    I rewatched AOTC and found Anakin was less melodramatic then I remember. While his Tuskancide (slaughter of the Tuskans) is a sentient crime against the Geneva Convention; however, because Ani slaughtered the Tuskans, the area around Mthe Lars Family Farm became safe for his son Luke Skywalker, becsuse no Sand People would settle in an area of known for a massacre of Tuskans. Then there is argument that Anakin acted in justice cause/just war because Sand People slaughter innocent farmers and took Shimi, tortured her and possibly did otther things to her. Ani made the whole area safer, and according to the Jed’aii Way, he brought Bendu/balance. Not saying I agree with his Tuskancide, I happen to find Sand People intriguing and enjoyed learning their lore at the Camp in the Dune Sea (KOTOR). But I think the fact this act of Anakin is so complex and controversial proves Episode II is not just an action extravaganza.
     
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