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Is the PT really all that bad?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by rvtv, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. Andrew Waples

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    Agreed. There's very little sword play, it's more of a emotional/confrontational duel then anything else. Empire's drags on just a little bit to get to the juicy stuff. I enjoyed Ben vs Luke at the end for the same reason.
     
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    False.
     
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    Funny. That one PT duel I mentioned to be the best of the PT, is considered by the fans to be the best one too. => Dooku vs Anakin.

    But you can't just look at one poll...
     
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    While they could certainly have been better, overall they gave us a story. And world building. I think they also stayed true to the SE «themes».

    There is also something intriguing in watching the fall of Anakin, and the republic. Some truly love them...I don’t, but I am glad they were made.

    And yes...Jar Jar must die. Still, these days I almost miss him.
     
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    Is it as bad as some people make it out to be? No. Are there problems? Sure. I enjoy them for what I think are good movies.
     
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    In my opinion the best sword fights in movies have more then action. Some are very cool (TPM and TLJ) that they can compare, but for rewatching it is hard to not love the ROTJ duel in the thrown room more then any other.
     
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    Just rewatched attack of the clones.

    It is quite a good movie actually...dialogue could be better, but Jar Jar is nearly absent. Actually think hayden did a decent job. NIT his fault some of the dialogue could have been better. Portman as padme shines.

    Most of all, it tells a great story, and gives us a sense of how big the SW universe is. Great backstory for boba. Think this film in particular got less cred then it should have. Guess I’m liking the prequels more and more!
     
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    They weren't bad. Not liked by some people is obviously a valid statement. But anyone trying to claim they are objectively bad are objectively wrong. Tell me your favorite band and odds are, I don't like their music. That's a true statement. I can even give you reasons why I don't like it. But the reasons are subjective, and I would never say, thus they are bad musicians who write terrible music. Because that's not a true statement. I know people who don't like Star Wars at all. I know people that don't like sci-fi. They can state their reasons. But their dislike doesn't equate to "bad genre/bad writers" and if they claim it does, they are the ones engaging in "bad reasoning" nothing more, nothing less.

    I personally liked about 50% of the prequels. I didn't dislike the other 50%, I just didn't connect with it on my own personal wavelength, as it were. I didn't hate Jar Jar. But I didn't connect with the character, either; nor did I connect with young Anakin. To me, it was a point of sharing something I liked with other people. When I saw Jar Jar, I didn't feel this character was for me, but I felt, this character and young Anakin must be meant for someone else in the audience who does connect with them. And I was happy to share Star Wars with whomever that was. I got my Obi-Wan and Qui-Gon, my Palpatine and Darth Maul. I got my space battles and lightsaber duels. I was content with what was given, and I was content to share with others what they were given.

    I feel that Star Wars is like a family of people who are different. On movie night, who picks the movie rotates. Sometimes the dad picks the movie. Sometimes the mom. Sometimes the teens or the young boy or girl. And you share the experience. Dad may not be into mom's romance movies, but he's happy to be there are share the experience of movie night. And everyone finds something in the movie with which to connect and be content.

    But some people are like a kid, that hates sharing movie night. He throws a fit when the movie isn't what he wants to watch. Then he sits and makes unkind remarks while the movie plays. "This is stupid" "I hate this" "My movie would be so much better" "Who likes this it's awful?" and just tries to ruin the experience for everyone else so he can get his way, and make every movie night his movie night. No one matters but him.
     
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    I think Hayden is actually awesome. Great portrayal of teenage awkwardness and pure uncontrollable emotions. People are crazy saying that Adam Driver is better than him in any way.
     
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    See, I'm a dyed-in-the-wool OT guy since it first came out, and there are people that absolutely HATE the PT because it was so different from the OT, which it is...and it had other issues as well.

    MY take on the PT, is that it was the story of Anakin that my generation started hearing about in the early 80's about how he "fell into a volcano"...and I wanted to know that story of how he became Vader, and I got it. Were those movies GREAT?? No....but I'll love them for what they are, despite their problems, any day of the week.

    The parallel here, is that when the PT aired, people lost their minds because they were so different in every way from the OT, and now...NOW we're right back there with the ST and how vastly different it is from the rest...with it's own issues NOT really unlike the PT.

    It's Star Wars, and it's always going to be in my personal world. I'll take the good with the bad and keep it anyway. :)
     
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    Which is so interesting to me. That these movies felt different is one of the things I actual like about them. They should be different. They’re a different era. They’re told from a different perspective. I love that GL tried to make them their own thing apart from the OT, to lend them their own unique flavor and personality. So many of the core concepts and ideas laid throughout that trilogy are what I’d unhesitantly describe as brilliant and truly inspired and don’t get the attention they deserve.

    That being said, I find the movies themselves to be joyless drudgery and nearly unwatchable. But I’m glad so many other people experience something more.
     
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    He fell into a volcano? I vaguely remember that.

    Personally, I thought the PT was great. I feel the same about the OT, "Rogue One" and "Solo". I don't dislike the ST because they were so different. I dislike the ST because I thought the first two films were badly written.


    Of all the OT duels, I guess my favorite would be Luke v. Anakin in "TESB". But honestly? I prefer the PT duels - with the exception of the Obi-Wan & Anakin v. Dooku in "AOTC". I wasn't particularly impressed by that one.
     
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    Hayden had his moments in the PT, but Adam Driver delivered in every single scene. Even the "haters" agree on that. I have to be honest, Adam Driver and his portrayal as Kylo Ren is one of the few good things why I'm still invested in the ST. I can't say that about Hayden and Anakin. Ewan and his portrayal as Obi-Wan is something else though. Haha!
     
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    Driver balances out the brat with angst and anger. Hamill balanced out the bratty Toshi Station Luke with enthusiasm.

    Hayden was all brat. It's a valid part of the character but it's gotta be balanced out with something. As the famous Kirk Lazarus states in the epic film about making a film, 'Tropic Thunder' - "Never go full ______."
     
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    Driver, like Christensen, is a good actor. Unfortunately, I don't think he can save Kylo Ren. At least not in my eyes. It's not his fault. I believe that thanks to Abrams and Johnson, Kylo Ren has turned out to be a badly written character with a good deal of inconsistency.


    Don't you mean . . . "I think" or "I believe"? Right?
     
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    Why is he a badly written character? IMO Kylo is the most well written character of the ST and maybe in the whole saga. He doesn't follow the typical antagonistic character design like Darth Vader. In TFA he's immature and untested. In TLJ he grows up and fulfills the test of his life => succeding where Darth Vader failed. This kind of character development is usually for the protagonist of the story and not for an antagonist. So, you could say Kylo Ren isn't the villain but the protagonist.

    But Kylo's internal struggle between the light and the dark side is what makes him great. Unfortunately this wasn't shown with Anakin or not shown enough! While the dark side is offering him power and strength, the light side is offering him peace and love. He knows that, but he can't decide. He goes back and forth.

    Another thing what makes Kylo a much better character than Anakin is the factor of surprise. You can't really foresee his fate, his endgame. For Anakin you know everything from the get go. Yes, the journey to a already known goal can make a lot of fun, but unfortunately it wasn't.
     
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    I don't believe they were that bad at all, i thoroughly enjoyed them. I was a very young kid at the time of them coming out and obviously they served their purpose as they kept me hooked on Star Wars. Yes they were made due to huge demand from the fans of the OT but they were also made to bring a new generation into the this galaxy which you have to say, despite their failings to some, they have.

    Of course they are not perfect and do have a lot of specific failings which i can understand lessens the enjoyment for some but they weren't as bad as some people made out.
     
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    Quick, off the top of your head, name 10 movies from 1999, 2002 and 2005....you probably can't. The PT was great and it's still around when so many other movies are forgotten.
     
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    I don't get your argument, but I can name you movies in those years who are definitely not forgotten.

    1999:
    - Toy Story 2, Fight Club, The Matrix, The Green Mile (1999 was a great year for movies)

    2002:
    - The Two Towers, 28 Days Later, Spider-Man

    2005:
    - King Kong, Batman Begins, Kingdom of Heaven

    There are probabaly much more, but these are the ones I can think of right now.
     
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    1999 add ons: The Sixth Sense, Blair Witch, Office Space, South Park BLU, The Mummy, Austin Powers, Tarzan, Iron Giant, Eyes Wide Shut, Galaxy Quest

    2002 add ons: HPCoS, Minority Report, Signs, Catch Me If You Can, Gangs of New York, Spirited Away, Chicago, the lame Mandy Moore movie I cant remember, Sweet Home Alabama, Queen of the Damned (RIP Aaliyah)

    2005 add ons: Constatine, Sin City, Longest Yard, Kiss Kiss Bang Bang, Serenity, Munich, HPGOF....
     
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