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Is the PT really all that bad?

Discussion in 'Prequel Trilogy' started by rvtv, Jan 25, 2018.

  1. HarryShoulders

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    No the PT is not. I wish we had met Anakin and Obi-wan at this point of the story, and had them develop their relationship from here as a trilogy as Anakin falls over 3 films. I felt like Ewan and Hayden finally hit their stride as friends on screen - the relationship Ben talked about in ANH. Between the visuals and Williams score - this is SW!

     
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    No the Prequels weren't all that bad, especially if you compare them to The Last Jedi..

    While the Prequels definitely had their flaws, there are some highlights which include:
    1. Darth Maul

    2. The Rise of the Emperor to power

    3. The Duel between Anakin and Obi-Wan

    4. The view of the Jedi Council

    5. The Planets, namely Coruscant, Naboo, Utapau, Kashyyyk, Kamino
    Probably the best way to look at the Prequels is to find what you like the best about them, and relish in that. There was a lot that I liked!
     
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    Nothing like the aggressively-unfunny offerings of Deadpool to convince me not to be ashamed in liking the PT.
     
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    Were they bad? Oh, yes. The directing and acting were pretty bad.

    Were they enjoyable? Oh hell yes. I still love them, and honestly my favorite is E1, not E3. There are so many fantastic moments in it, you just have to ignore the Jar Jar bits, and pretend the word that shall not be named isn't uttered. But so much of it is great. The duel, the battle, the podracing, even Shmi saying goodbye to Anakin. And the music. The music was so compelling and sucks you in. Not Just Duel of the Fates, but the trumpet song, and even the simple music you hear when they swim down to the underwater city for the first time. It really captured the scene. Nothing out from Disney has really recaptured the SW feel they had, even TFA (which was a good and enjoyable movie). Has any of the new movies had any music that was memorable at all? I may have to watch them again, but I can't remember a single track after watching.
     
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    I do think they were bad, but I have to say, TLJ has made me appreciate them more than I originally did. The overall story is great. Darth Siddious is in charge of the Republic by the end of Episode I, right under the noses of the Jedi? Brilliant. Episode II the Jedi are maneuvered into transforming from peacekeepers into generals leading the fight? Brilliant.

    The problem was, in my mind: Lucas surrounded himself with yes men. He also failed to direct the actors and wasted some talented people. Finally he relied WAY to much on digital effects. But I think he did a FAR better job world building than was done in VIII. The aliens are WAY WAY better in the PT than they've been in the ST. What happened to the Twi'leks? The Rodians? The Togruta? I've really started to like the PT in the last 6 months. Say what you want, at least Lucas had a plan for the ST and wasn't flying by the seat of his pants.
     
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    In short, Anakin and Padme interactions were atrocious.
    The droid humor was bad to horribly cringe worthy at times.
    They demystified Vader and the "reality" or his beginnings left much to be desired.
    The special effects aged badly.
    Jar Jar.
    I think the story could have been great had GL themed it closer to the OT. Less focus on childish humor, and let the humor come out from the actors rather than from forcefully inserted jokes that just didn't jive.

    There were some good elements to the movies, I remember liking TPM when it first came out mostly because of Duel of the Fates. I remember disliking the other 2 from the beginning. I don't think I ever sat through any of the other 2 from beginning to end after that first viewing at the cinema. If it's played, I usually volunteer to make popcorn refills, get more drinks ect... I come back for the "good" parts.
     
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    I would like to know where that came from. Because before the PT era we had a general consensus that Anakin fell into a volcano, or in the lava. But I don't have any idea where I read that first.
     
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    If I remember correctly, I read that in an interview that George had with Starlog magazine......say in '82 or '83...it was early, and maybe before ROTJ was released, but I'm not exactly sure, but I DID read it.

    I DO know that it was an interview with GL though.
     
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    Thanks. I probably read that in the 90's in some brazilian magazine. They took from Starlog then.
     
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    He makes mention of it while talking to both Kasdan and Kazanjian in the Making of Return of the Jedi book, which contains interviews made during and after the film's release.
     
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    It's hard to peg the prequels, because we're so predisposed to calling a movie "good" or "bad". But films consist of many, many parts, and sometimes one aspect succeeds while another fails, and there's nothing wrong with enjoying what works.

    The prequels fail in a lot of ways. The dialogue in the romance scenes of AoTC honestly some of the worst I've heard in a big-budget film. The acting often feels wooden. The pacing doesn't always work. Events happen but we never feel the stakes. The droid army is besieging Naboo, but why do we care? From what the movie shows us, Naboo is literally just some nice buildings and a circle of politicians. We never have an emotional touchpoint with the citizens of the galaxy like we do in, say, the opening scene of TFA.

    But the prequels succeed in a lot of ways. Conceptually, they're brilliant. The plots are original and fascinating. The character designs and effects are great. We get some of the best music in the whole series.
     
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    It aches my heart to say this, but yes, Prequels are not good. For more of my opinions on these films, I'm doing a rewatch of all SW films and share my observations on my profile page.
     
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    I feel the same way about the ST and PT. It's just Star Wars and in each case the creators are just trying to tell us new stories.
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    Couldn't agree more.
     
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    Definitely agree that the "love story" was horribly done.

    The humor wasn't all that either, but one could say the same about the ST. I didn't mind it too much in VIII, but it was a bit over the top.

    Oddly enough, I watched TPM last night and I didn't mind Jar Jar NEARLY as much as I did back when the film first came out. I would agree that the acting was... not good (even though you didn't mention that, I think someone else did).

    I love the music in the PT much more than what we've had in the ST. Duel of the Fates is really good. The lightsaber duels were awesome and I loved seeing Palpatine manipulate everything. That was fantastic.
     
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    I didn't realize that the Prequel Trilogy was about the friendship of Anakin Skywalker and Obi-Wan Kenobi.


    You've pretty much described other movie and television productions . . . including the much "highly regarded" Original Trilogy. I have yet to see a movie or television production - regardless of how good it might be - without any flaws or weaknesses.
     
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    I imagine it’s what most fans were expecting given what was setup in the OT. We were given bits and pieces about what had come before this point, so the assumption was that the trilogy would revolve largely around those familiar elements. But expectations are only that.
     
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    Well... it dates back to an interview with GL in Rolling Stone from August 25 1977!

    GL: "...It’s about Ben and Luke’s father and Vader when they are young Jedi knights. But Vader kills Luke’s father, then Ben and Vader have a confrontation, just like they have in Star Wars, and Ben almost kills Vader. As a matter of fact, he falls into a volcanic pit and gets fried and is one destroyed being. That’s why he has to wear the suit with a mask, because it’s a breathing mask. It’s like a walking iron lung. His face is all horrible inside. I was going to shoot a close-up of Vader where you could see the inside of his face, but then we said, no, no, it would destroy the mystique of the whole thing."
    Don't take my word for it though. It's in Rolling Stone's own online archive. A treasure trove to be sure!:

    Rolling Stone - George Lucas: The Wizard of ‘Star Wars’
    https://www.rollingstone.com/movies/movie-news/george-lucas-the-wizard-of-star-wars-2-232011/

    (The quote is from about half-way down the page)

    Obviously it's from well before ESB (hell, SW had only just come out!), and Vader and 'Luke's father' are still separate people, but it's the birth of the idea in the public consciousness.

    I also remember seeing it actually being depicted in some kind of flashback in a frame of the original Marvel series of Star Wars comics. Would be interesting to find out the publishing date of whatever issue that was too.
     
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    Wow. Thanks for that. First time that I read it.
    "It would destroy the mistique of the whole thing"...And years later he gave a face to Vader, Sebastian Shaw. And then 20 years after ROTJ he gave another face to Vader in the same movie: Hayden Christensen...what a way to destroy the whole thing.
     
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    Awesome, thanks!! I knew it was old, but couldn't remember from exactly where or when...good work!! :)
     
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