SPECULATION Is there a bigger boss behind Snoke ?

Palpatine, aka. The Emperor was referenced in ANH, so his appearance in ESB did not come out of the blue. To have an even bigger badie than Snoke in EpVIII would be entierly unprecidented, and such a "bigger boss" would have no set up or foreshadowing going for him. So, nope...

 

I belieb Snoke is the sith boss, Palpy got fried back in TROTJ we need to give this bald bad boy his moment,

 

This was brought up on Collider's Jedi Council, though I believe their reasoning was because they seem to feel the need for a Sith to be involved for some reason. Personally, I don't think there's anyone above Snoke. He seems quite ambitious, and there's a whole lot more of his story to be revealed, so why wouldn't he be the top guy?

 

Hw about a clone of palpating

 

I think that it is unlikely that there is someone above Snoke. Because his title is Supreme Leader, there should not be anyone within the First Order who outranks him. There could be a person outside the First Order who controls him. However, Snoke already controls the First Order from a distance and he has Kylo Ren and General Hux doing his dirty work. The function of this outside person would then basically be the same as the function of Snoke. It seems redundant to me.

 

If anyone were to be above Snoke, it would be some supernatural dark-side sh*t. I'm like 90% confident that Snoke's larger agenda is to extend his life. He is under someone or somethings control, but not because they outrank him. Because they hold the key to his immortality.

 

We know so little about Snoke that if there's going to be a twist, why not make it about Snoke himself rather than creating another character just to be the power behind Snoke's throne? ESB could have made Palpatine a non-Force-sensitive and made Sidious the power behind Palpatine's throne, but that's not what they did.

 

2% chance.


For these reasons:

1) Snoke & Kylo have a similar relationship to that of Emp Pal and Vader/Maul/Dooku

2) No major villains died in TFA (which is dumb, and yet another failure of JJ's production...Disney, KK, and JJ wanted to sell toys and not repeat the Maul mistake of killing off an awesome villain too quickly and without developing him. They over corrected though. They should have had the guts to sacrifice a villain and talent to create one to one they could kill in TFA and savvy to know which evil creation to burn in Act I)

3) so much exposition and other catchup work must be done so there isn't much time to introduce a higher level villain & it work.

4) despite his rather familiar design, Snoke's injuries and known accomplishments (destroying Luke's academy, turning Ben, rising to leadership of a racist and fascist organization despite being an alien.) would provide two movies worth of interesting reveals.

5) Benecio Del Toro has to appear in upcoming Marvel movies, and as a celestial character to boot. I think this film is his only appearance in the trilogy, and if he's a villain as we all suspect, then he willed get killed off in part 8, by Luke's hand I predict, so he's your Tarkin/maul/Dooku

6) Andy serkis is perfect level of star to keep who the big bad is a mystery until release of Ep8. If it was Kurt Russel or Clint Eastwood or Jeremy Irons or Cumberbatch, we'd know it was Snoke who was the big bad. Serkis is amazing but not a big name star

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It's a totally valid and interesting question, though. A head fake isn't impossible

 

No, leaving the villains alive was NOT a "mistake." It's actually could end up being a great idea, you can do more with them. And no, I don't think that there's a "bigger villain" behind Snoke. That would come out of nowhere and require way too much time and exposition, there are already enough plotlines and character arcs going on as it is. Plus he's very much being set up as the main "mastermind."

And "The Emperor" was mentioned several times in ANH, even if he didn't actually appear physically. So his presence and authority was already established even then, he was the guy in charge. That would be different than here, where this mystery baddie literally comes out of nowhere in the second film.

 

the only major villain to die in ANH & TESB was Tarkin. we had to wait for ROTJ for everyone to perish.

 

And everyone was expecting Hux to die in TFA, so NOT killing him was a nice surprise.

 

yeah, frankly, i was surprised he made it. he was the expendable one (even if he was the only competent one ~ ha).

 

The only people who would want a bigger boss behind Snoke are people who dislike the Snoke character.

No, I think it's highly unlikely that there is someone above Snoke. They've already presented Snoke as this big, mysterious figure, who was behind many of the atrocities that happened after ROTJ. I would much rather that the future movies focused on building the Snoke character as oppose to sidelining him with another "bigger bad" whom was never mentioned or heard of in TFA.

I was crossing my fingers, hoping that Hux survives TFA. Thankfully I got my wish.

It's like "What if Tarkin survived ANH?" I want to see what they do with him in the next film.

 

Maybe Snoke was the REAL master the entire time. He seduced Palpatine after Plageuis was killed and had Palpatine promise to quit being a Sith. However, Palpatine still operated behind Snoke's back while Snoke could sense Palpatine's demise. Meanwhile, Snoke decided to kill of Vader to make Palpatine paranoid...but he failed which is why he's so scarred and which is why he says something like, "The son of Skywlaker must not be found by The Resistance..." He was really talking about the son of Anakin and not Luke. He's scared of Luke being as powerful as Anakin. Also the reason he can't go personally to fight Luke or Rey or anyone is because he is literally too damaged to fight even if he had mechanical parts and disavows being a cyborg because he believes in "pure ess." He needs A Skywalker to take down A Skywalker which is why he seduces Ben Solo from a very young age and brainwashes him...This would allow Snoke being aware of the entire saga so far while also being the true master and puppeteer to make him truly terrifying and his (potentil) demise even more satisfying than Palpatine-Vader.

 

yeah, that CJC segment was weird. Kristian's now assuming that because Snoke is not plagueis he can relegate snoke to being "some moron" in his opinion and that it might leave the door open for an even more evil bad guy.

My issue with this line of thinking or the idea of another ultimate bad guy, is that we literally have the same cast carrying over except Harrison ford. Meaning we have the same number of main bad guys/gals and one less hero. Would they really then turn around and add ANOTHER ultimate bad guy into the trilogy? This trilogy, as of right now has not explored snoke in any regard and has quite enough "bad guys/gals"

 

Rian will use time travel and bring him to the future. But his new name will be called Looper.

 

THIS

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no clones please

 

Hope not.

The Prequels has a lot of bad guys and that was one of the problems. Snoke, Kylo and Hux are enough.

 

"Sheev Looper Palpatine."

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But clones are fun...we had an entire movie about them !