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Is there a canon rift?

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by SegNerd, May 30, 2021.

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    I think The Bad Batch is probably going to be adding more layers to both The Mandolorian and the sequels. I mean the main Star Wars site posting an amalgamation of plot points from the films to cartoons to video games, then the ending of Kamino Lost a week later. They're not posting that just for fun, they're attempting to fix the mess.
     
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    SPOILER FOR HALLOWEEN LEGO SPECIAL BELOW

    They are 'retconning' the part in The Rise of Kylo Ren where it's revealed he didn't destroy Luke's temple...now they are saying he did, in the Lego special.

    I also am curious as to where they are going regarding Vader's ownership of Luke's severed hand in the Vader comics.
     
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    I'm curious how canon the Lego thing was. I mean, the third story was basically a "What If" episode, and the second one didn't seem to gel with canon either. Maybe I'm wrong, but I'm not reading too far into those, even though they were interesting.
     
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    It's not canon. Just enjoy it for what it is... but nothing they say or do changes anything.
     
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    In this past season The Mandalorian started laying some groundwork for the First Order. The whole cloning process was an attempt at creating a being such as Snoke, which was revealed in The Siege:


    (notice Snoke's theme playing here)

    In more subtle fashion, the design of some of the ships and transports we see in Mando S2 (mostly in The Tragedy) are very much a FO design:

    Mando:

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    From TFA:

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    I think they will try and fill in a few 'gaps' regarding the ST with Mando, which is a good idea. If it explains how the FO 'arose from the ashes of the Empire' (to quote TFA's opening crawl) it will make for interesting viewing.
     
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    The Filoni-verse is more concerned about the Ahsoka/ Bo Katan storyline. The ST isn't his baby, and I don't think he wants the responsibility of trying to explain someone elses story. He did it with the prequels and clone wars but in the process he created his own lore and stories that don't necessarily go with the ST.
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    I guess it's kinda hard, too, to reference stuff that hasn't happened yet in the timeline. It'd be an entirely different thing if the Rogue Squadron movie is post TROS in the timeline and doesn't reference the ST, but I think Mando has done a good enough job of laying some groundwork. I mean, I much prefer the more subtle nods that @DarthSnow pointed out over the more hamfisted cameos, though I realize that's just a matter of personal taste.
     
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    They're also doing this with the upcoming Luke book that's set around events described in TROS. Now that the ST is finished the other stories can now build around what was told on film.
     
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    Mando remarking that the New Republic is a joke and showing us that there was some cloning efforts going on prior to the events of the ST (well, of course there was), is not what I call "explaining" the ST. It's just basic continuity.
     
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    I really don't think anything major should come out of The Mandalorian in relation to the ST. I don't want any lost sabers or Hux's or Snokes (MAYBE if it was Hux Sr.) it just doesn't seem like the right time or place and it would feel disingenuous if they pushed it much further. I think these little nods and having the Empire in splinters and seeing little rogue off-shoots like Gideon's grow from that has already been enough, at least for someone like me, to say "Hey, neat, there's some FO roots here."
     
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    I agree, but I do wonder about one thing- how much has canon covered the "first contact" of the FO with the NR?

    From what I gather, they're definitely aware of them by the time the show Resistance starts, but it doesn't seem like they're known of (at least, not formally) in Mando. Has something in between covered the first rumblings of that war?

    Coming from an old Halo fan back in the day, if there's some opportunity for a story with these groups first clashing or the first crushing victory/defeat (like Reach). Or is this already covered in a book/comic/wikipedia entry?
     
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    The rise of the First Order is a major subplot of the Bloodline novel, which gets into the funding of a fresh, secret military buildup and such things.
     
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    You know, I actually wish they hadn't killed off the New Republic...it would have been fascinating to see a war between two major 'governments' so to see rather than FO versus Resistance.
     
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    That's the PT, though; war between to multi-civilization political factions. If you watch the TCW, you get A LOT of that.

    Personally, I find the ST premise, that the central government is sidelined and the war rages between two fringe groups, to be rather interesting. That said, I'd definitelly liked to see more of an establishment/build-up of the NewRep prior to the Starkiller base destroying Hosnian Prime and surrounding worlds.

    ...on another hand, if we'd get more of that in TFA, we wouldn't have the beautiful homage to Carrie & Leia in TRoS, which I wouldn't have given up that for anything, personally.
     
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    Queen Leia would have been so meta.


    Also: +1 for circling it back to Naboo
     
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    I really like that potential, too. Two small factions fighting among the ashes of the previous wars... could've been really cool. That's part of why I really didn't mind that the ST didn't re-invent the wheel with Star Wars aesthetics. Reusing the OT tech makes a lot of sense, and I kinda wish we'd seen more reuse of PT stuff too.

    It does kinda feel like this war of the small factions was never fully realized, though. The First Order never felt much different than the Empire, in my opinion. Especially post TFA.
     
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    I often wonder just how Rian Johnson would have 'done' TROS?
     
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    Imo, the First Order should never have been as large as TLJ & TRoS made it. It should've been a much smaller, yet more technologically advanced, relic of the Empire. And The Resistance should've been an official part of the New Republic military, maybe some type of Black Ops/Expeditionary Force sent to monitor the First Order. Then when the New Republic capital and military get wiped out, all that's left is the Black Ops/Expeditionary Force which has organize a "resistance" movement & rebuild a whole government from the ashes.

    And reusing the aesthetics of the OT makes sense and there was a technological progression shown (new X-wings, Stormtrooper armor etc.), so it wasn't entirely copy paste like a lot of critics say. Actually, post-RotJ Legends is far more guilty of the "copy paste OT aesthetics" than Canon is; and I say that as someone who loves Legends.
     
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    This.
     
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