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Its on Dantooine.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 17, 2016.

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How did Snoke, as a non-human and damaged got control of the First Order.

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  1. He hypnotised-mind tricked the Leftovers of the Empire

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  2. He came to his throne by fight

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  3. He was excavated and revived by palpatine and kept in medical chamber

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    Pablo Hidalgo confirmed there is no Snoke in any form in Rogue One.

    Consider this thread Obsolete and closed!( 4.24.2016.)



    A case for Snoke Last edited 4.21.2016.


    From the TFA novelization we know that Snoke is alien.

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    How would an non-human alien came to control the remnants of the Empire, if we know Empire as well as First Order are only human regimes , closed society and closed conservative "alienist" organisation, controlled on all levels by humans? How would Snoke got his grip over that regime?
    The fact Snoke took control of the remanants of Empire, an " alienist "(racist) human regime means Snoke must have had his honorable place within Empire prior to death of Palpatine.
    After the fall of Plagueis and the Empire , Snoke got his chance to take control.

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    In the time slightly before Rogue One timeline the rebel base was on the planet Dantooine.The base was abandoned for unknown reason.

    Canon tells the rebels were expanding their underground base Dantooine in order to expand their base, and we know they abandoned base for unknown reason.

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dantooine_base

    What did the rebels , and the Empire afterwards found in the underground of Dantooine?

    Could this be the most important fact for the entire sequel trilogy?

    And why the story suggest Lea and the rebels were familiar with the fact of Snoke existance for long time?


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    On the planet Dantooine are
    ancient ruins http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Rakatan_ruins_(Dantooine)

    many thousands of years old, built by ancient advanced alien race, "The Builders" or "Celestials" who were also knowledgeable in the Force, most notably the dark side.

    Please note:
    The New canon is not jet clear about those ancient races appearance and distinction.
    in theory Celestials and Rakatans can be merged in one ancient advanced race.

    "The Builders" are ancient highy Advanced alien race of higher order. The Builders had superweapon technology that drained Energy of the Star (just like Starkiller base in ep VII).


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    The rebels digged in the ground on Dantooine and found something that was reason enough to abandon base and planet without a word of it ever.
    The Empire searched that place in detail afterwards.

    Did the Empire found a hybernated body (or some kind of mummy) of an old member of the "Builder" higher race and revived it using Advanced Medicine Technology and Palpatines knowledge of the Dark Side?

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    We Know Palpatine sarched for the source of higher knowledge of the Dark Side.
    Reanimated Snoke could have been used as a consultant. Palpatine would discuss all the problems from his daily polithics to the strategy as well as tried to obtain even more knowledge of the Dark Side.
    Snoke would quickly learn the past events into details without leaving medical chamber,just by conversation and his Force ability.

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    --- interesting fact . ---- Rakata Prime is reintroduced in Canon.

    Reintroducing Rakata Prime in Canon and the fact this system is where in Legends there was a Space Forge weapon built by ancient "Builders" is very significant. Its an ancient Technology that drains Energy from the nearby stars. Both Dantooine, and Rakata Prime are in relatively unknown outer Regions to the left in the Galaxy. From this Regions Sarkiller base also came.

    Please enlarge map:

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    Oh, almost forgotten, someone can ask himself, what is the trigger in my mind to talk about Dantooine?

    Why Dantooine?


    Early versions of TFA had the First Order converting Dantooine into their superweapon and retrofitting the abandoned Rebel base for their own purposes.


    reference: The Art Of Star Wars : The Force Awakens (book)

    http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Dantooine





     
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    Snoke's Mummy?
     
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    The history of Dantooine is extraordinary.

    Please note I edited( expanded )my original post in the meantime.
     
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    Leia had no problem to sacifice Dantooine.

    But instead of destroying Dantooine, Empire has searched where rebels have left.

    Ironic, instead of saving her planet end destroying the ancient evil found on Dantooine, the Alderan was destroyed and Empire uncovered ...Snoke?




    Its is certain Rogue one will not have just a one line of story, the rebel stealing of the Death Star blueprints, it will have side stories and I think we will have a hint about discovery of damaged ancient Dark Force being ( a sort of mummy) in the Dantooine (at the end of trailer below).It was revived by the Palpatine who searched for the source of the Dark Side.

     
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    the Builders looked kinda froggy: Rakata

    so Snoke is not likely a Builder, but i suppose if there was Darkside juju going on it's not entirely out of the question they discovered some Pandora's box in which Snoke was sleeping. i'm not sure i believe this, but it's possible, sure.
     
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    Exactly. Snoke is not Rakatan, so I'm guessing they didn't find him there.
     
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    Also smoke is aware of the events of ge prequel trilogy and al so it wouldn't make sense he was sleeping all that time and had to be revived during the original trilogy .
     
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    Which of this is actually now a Canon ?
     
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    What's canon is that Snoke is aware of the events of The PT and the OT SO I was saying that it wouldn't make sense if he was woken up with technology and all and automatically be aware of things .
     
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    good point ~ the Rakata are now considered legends.
     
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    If Palpatine decided to bring back to Life ancient Snoke, what would be Palpatine's motives to do that?

    We Know Palpatine sarched for the source of higher knowledge of the Dark Side.

    Reanimated Snoke could have been used as a consultant. Palpatine would discuss all the problems from his daily polithics to the strategy as well as tried to obtain even more knowledge of the Dark Side.

    Snoke would quickly learn the past events into details without laving medical chamber,just by conversation.


    --something more: We Know Luke has gone to Search his knowledge in ancient Jedi Temple.Luke is searching for ancient knowledge to, obviously in need to counter ancient knowledge of the Snoke.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 17, 2016, Original Post Date: Apr 17, 2016 ---
    Exactly. Rakata are legends, jet the Canon is still that the rebels digged on Dantooine and that they abandoned base which was never explained why.

    Dantoine was good place for their base. Why would they live the place after digging to expand the base?

    This is significant plot anchor left open and possibly filmmakers exploited it.
     
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    I do believe Alderaan was destroyed before Dantooine was explored by the Empire. Tarkin said Dantooine was far too remote for an effective demonstration of the power of the battle station. They would deal with her rebel friends soon enough. While this is an original theory, Alderaan wasn't destroyed instead of Dantooine because of what may have been found there.

    They could have found smoke on the water.
     
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    How did they put out the smoke ?
     
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    With a smoking gun
     
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    What about a smoke grenade
     
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    In fact, the new canon is not clear about those ancient races, in theory Celestials and Rakatans can be merged in one ancient advanced race.


    ---- interesting fact . Rakata Prime, planet where Rakatans constructed their superweapon thousands of years ago, a Star Forge (which drained energy from the star) has been reintroduced in canon for the sequel Trilogy!

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    I believe reintroducing Rakata Prime in Canon and the fact this system is where in Legends there was a Space Forge weapon built by ancient "Builders" is very significant. Its an ancient Technology that drains Energy from the nearby stars. Both Dantooine, and Rakata prime are in relatively unknown outer Regions to the left in the Galaxy. Starkiller base emerged from the same part of the Galaxy. Please look official new galaxy map I posted in previous post.
     
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    I will reuse here my old post from a thread "Snoke is Fallen angel" that made me think about all possible options for Snoke, it explains why if Snoke as revived ancient being is a viable option.


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    RED- Plausible.
    They can plausibly choose for Snoke any Dark Force character that was active during any period of entire Galactic history before the Phantom Menace, as this creates the loop over the main 6 films from saga which enables plausible and powerful, even mystic Snoke, with just a little explanation of the nature of his hiding during 6 films.He could have been dead than revived. Plagueis # is borderline as it touches very start of 6 film saga and drags the story as he is mentioned in 6 films ,so it is plausible but closes the 9 film saga.The more older character makes the loop that does not necessary close the 9 film saga.

    BLUE- No touch 6 films.
    Now here are the all weak "character returns" ideas: Tarkins, Admirals, Inquisitors, Mauls, Vaders, Palaptines..etc etc..I consider this a forbidden zone as it can't produce true powerful Snoke for sequel trilogy. Those "Snokes" are always inferior to Palpatine who set its own standards for proper main SW villain.And also here is interfering into a story about balance of the Force,etc.

    GREEN- A pop-up Snoke.
    Snoke as a Snoke who just came out from nowhere after the battle of Endor, without explanation of his origin or the ways he acquired his powers. This indeed is like saying that Lucas Galaxy has been created in 6 days, and sold this to Star Wars fans , so cheap.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 19, 2016, Original Post Date: Apr 19, 2016 ---
    We also know from the TFA novelization that Snoke is humanoid but not human!

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    Which makes us think: How would an non-human alien be in control of the remnants of the Empire, if we know Empire was quite racist regime, controled by humans? How would he got his grip over the organization?
    The answer could be Snoke was sort of "exibit" of the higher being revived and keeped by Plagueis, and after the fall of Plagueis and the Empire he got his chance to take control.
     
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    I thought that the FO was just has "alienist" if not more ?
     
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    I see only humans in First Order, on all levels of command except their Supreme Leader who is humanoid but not human, means alien. So an alien controls one conservative and closed "Alienist" human organisation...
     
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