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Its on Dantooine.

Discussion in 'General Sequel Trilogy Discussion' started by McDiarmid, Apr 17, 2016.

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How did Snoke, as a non-human and damaged got control of the First Order.

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  1. He hypnotised-mind tricked the Leftovers of the Empire

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  2. He came to his throne by fight

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  3. He was excavated and revived by palpatine and kept in medical chamber

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    OP Edited with new elements.4.20.2016.
     
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    The spirit of an ancient darksider cannot be resurrected. So this theory is impossible.
     
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    If we put analogy with ancient Egyptian belief, the preserved (mummified) body preserves the spirit in that place. That counts for Sith. The Jedi rejoice being One with the Force, Sith however not.

    Sith spirits after death can be present in the place of tomb (Canon), and what if the body is preserved to ?


     
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    According to new canon, Sith spirits are impossible. So, no.
    --- Double Post Merged, Apr 20, 2016, Original Post Date: Apr 20, 2016 ---
    And to preempt you, that thing Yoda saw was an illusion, not Darth Bane.
     
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    The Sith were unable to manifest themselves after death, causing them to concentrate on gaining earthly power only. So in order to try to preserve themselves they could have tried their body kept preserved. Just like ancient Pharaohs.
    Dark Force alchemy achieved by Plagueis, and continued by Palpatine could revive such body of an ancient Sith.
     
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    No, it's all darksiders who can't preserve their spirit after death. I am certain you know this, because you liked the post where I quoted Pablo's tweet that proved it.

    There is no proof whatsoever that preserving the body would do anything. Just like the ancient pharaohs, preserving mummies was useless.
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    You're editing your posts after I comment on them--really, it's okay to just post new, short comments. We're the only two in this thread, I think, so we can be honest.

    No, because their spirit would already be recycled back into the Force. There would be nothing to resurrect. You might make a zombie, but it would be a moving corpse with no memory or old personality. And besides, Sith Alchemy is... no longer canon.
     
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    Dark side of the Force is the path to many abilities some consider to be, annatural.
     
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    So you see, you can't refute it, or you would have evidence. I'm sorry, this theory is wrong.
     
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    Elements of my theory are most advanced peace of information about new trilogy you have seen so far and probably will see before movie.. Rakata Prime, ancient weapon that drains energy of the sun, Snoke is alien,ancient.Looks like living mummy ,Unknown regions of Galaxy.. If he is not Plagueis,and it seems this has been confirmed,I am sure in majority of predictions of my theory.
     
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    The information about ancient weapons? Sure. But just because they created the technology, doesn't mean Snoke is one of them, and so is irrelevant to determining who Snoke is.

    We do not know that Snoke is ancient, we don't know if he came from the Unknown Regions or not. He does look like a living mummy. I will leave speculations about Plagueis to the Plagueis thread, which by the way, has not been debunked. Pablo even posted after that he doesn't like to debunk things.

    But your theory in unworkable! You have still not found any way to refute the truth, because it is true--an ancient spirit cannot survive death!
     
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    Snoke has not been spirit.He could have been mummified or should we say hybernated ..Rebels were expanding base Dantooine and found it.Later Empire came and found it and retrieved it........

    .OK I should say its not only my imagination there is ancient SW comic from early 80-s with the very similar story,and many elements are intriguing, the alien who was extremly strong in the Force(the Force protected him) was in hibernation chamber left for many millennia and the rebels were almost forced to abandon base.
     
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    Snoke could have been in hibernation and never actually died, yes. So there's no need for any resurrections.
    And he could have witnessed events through the Force, also possible.

    But currently, Snoke looks like he should be dead. Without Sidious there to sustain him, how is he still alive?
     
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    I said already I am making "research" of possibilities if he is not Plagueis.With Plagueis it was everything more easy, in fact if one wants non-Plagueis explanation of Smoke as we have it already presented in the fil, one founds alternative to Plagueis is extremely difficult to design...which makes me wonder....
     
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    That's fine--just post when you have an answer, or post if you can't find one. :)
     
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    In the book 'Lost Stars' Thane Kyrell is one of those dispatched to Dantooine in search of the hidden Rebel base, then rumors of the Death Star's destruction reaches them. Except for the names of Dantooine or Rakata Prime, everything else from KOTOR should not be considered canon until included in new canon material. The planet names Taris and Malachor have already been included as well.

    The thing I don't understood about Palpatine, under the new canon, is what was his plan for the Empire upon his death? Was he going to hand it over to Vader or Luke, if Luke was to take Vader's place at his side, or was he actually trying to find a way to cheat death and attempt to rule forever? The old EU had that cleared up with the Dark Empire or the story of Tenebrous and Plagueis, transferreing consciousness to a more powerful Force user or clone.

    also could Bacta be used in the prolonging of life, or was it just used to regrow tissue?
     
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    Bacta is just for healing tissue. If I recall, there was something about Palps using the old Sith knowledge hidden under the Jedi Temple to alter reality itself to his liking. I don't think he was ever planning to die.
     
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    ...that's a holocron.
     
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    Really? It seemed like just an illusion, compared to other holocrons. But if your saying Snoke is a holoron, although a cool idea, Pablo says that Snoke is alive.
     
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    I'm not saying he's a holocron but that Bane is because Sith can't become ghosts and neither can dark side users so to me the most likely thing is that Snoke is similar to Kahn and his people in ST:ID from JJ Abrams except on Dantooine.
     
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    Oh, I figured that Bane was just a residual Sith illusion, like Yoda said. Yoda never indicated there was a holocron, and the holocrons from Rebels project the AI differently.

    Sure, Snoke could have been hibernating, so long as either
    1) He used the Force to watch the Empire rise
    2) He woke up before the creation of the Empire, and you can explain what he's been waiting for all this time
     
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