I've been thinking about the movie for a while...

TLJ really kinda sucked. It really did, on many levels. Technically flawless? Watch how crappy it looks when Finn and rose hitch a ride with BB8. Watch the news and you will see tragedy left and right. I don't want to hear about drunk deadbeats. Oh it was so effing original. We are talking about an average film at best, that unabashedly pulled lines from 5&6 and jumbled them up a touch.

There's always 9....

 

"I just saw Star Wars A New Hope for the first time and I sure wish that movie didn't have all the trappings of typical science fantasy and was just more grounded" - said Nobody ever

 

exactly, nothing lasting of Luke remains, he did not even train Rey, his possible last student. She will be a self-taught wonder.

 

Rey, Finn, Poe, Leia (for now), Rose, Chewbacca, C3PO, R2D2, BB8, etc. all live on because of Luke, they and the rest of the resistance are what remain of Luke Skywalker. And if (when) they win the war against the First Order, it will ONLY have been made possible because of Luke Skywalker.

 

Rey was already there to save the whole group and she did. This projection trick was unnecessary.

 

I saw the movie twice to and I couldn't disagree more. It's NOT the most mature, grounded SW film. Just look at all the humour that was first poor written fell flat.

There were some scenes that I enjoyed such as the Throne Room fight (although prior to that is was a ROTJ reboot), moment between Luke ,Leia and R2, Holdo's sacrifice, etc. But the film was disjointed, had no depth and connection to questions from TFA. I'll probably sound like a broken record here, but character arcs had no depth or development, expectations were subverted for the sake of subversion and scenes shot just for the sake of adding stylistic element s/aesthetics (such as the colour red) just as an ode to former directorial styles rather than making it relevant to story.

After watching Black Panther and it's rich story, character arcs, etc., it annoys me even further when I think of TLJ. Lazy story writing and shock for shock sake.

 

Without Luke they would have been dead/captured before she moved the rocks. Which movie did you watch?

 

That just isn't true. Luke provided them time, he provided a distraction. Yes, Rey ultimately is the one who makes it possible for the resistance to escape but without Luke there wouldn't have been any chance of survival, they would've been hopeless. The First Order would've just marched through the base and killed them all. And then when Rey moved the rocks, instead of being greeted by the resistance and her friends, she would've been greeted by Kylo Ren, Hux, and a few dozen First Order troopers.

 

Again, you don't like the story. That's perfectly fine, but the claim that the characters didn't develop is objectively wrong. Every character is challenged and changes in the film. This development isn't even debatable. However, it's perfectly fine not to like the story.

Also, why do people have to call something they don't like "lazy." I didn't like The Shape of Water. I hated it actually, but it's well produced. A lot of thought and care went into the film. I simply don't like it. These kind of hyperbolic claims aren't very useful for debate.

 

The whole garbage about Arndt and others not able to come up with a solution for Luke story wise. Why not just stand on the shoulders of the new heroes and never include the original cast? Dollars and cents....?....crickets.....chirp. I imagine Colin's vision was slightly closer to Georgie's historical discussions, which is perhaps why Hamill was more receptive during their discussions and had to "come around" to Rian and Kath.

 

Because if they didn't include them, there would a group of people as big as, if not bigger than, the one that constantly complains about how they were mishandled and how their childhoods were destroyed or something. Just look around. Whenever there's a slightest opportunity to complain about something or to show how bad in their opinion something is, members of the forum just swarm such a thread like a bunch of flies over rotting meat and keep on biting waaay after all the meat is gone. Compare the number of pages of the threads for people who hate and people who love TLJ. Every decision made in this trilogy was, is or will be controversial to some extent.

He was fired in September last year. SEPTEMBER LAST YEAR!!! If the reason for firing him was disagreement on Luke's fate, then this is some truly retarded ignition, as Luke's fate was sealed two years prior, when script for TLJ was basically complete. If we really want to look for possible story-related reasons for Colin's sacking, then there's one, that's as obvious as it gets - Carrie Fisher's passing and how it affects Leia in IX.

 

Huh? So we should include them just because you think the fandom would be upset? Yup, you got there congrats- dollars and cents. I was saying remove them altogether. Create the new lore without them. The films needed new things. Force stasis and force projection were interesting regardless of the perceived execution.

Have you seen the interviews were Mark mentions discussing story contents with Colin? I'm glad you liked it. The lovers descend on Thea threads as fast as the haters by the way.

 

WHY I HATED THIS MOVIE AND WHY IT IS THE WORST THING EVER CREATED BY HUMANS:

1. It didn't validate my fan theories, no matter how ridiculous and baseless they were.
2. Luke wasn't the exact same person that he was 35 years prior. He wasn't a flawless superhero. He displayed real human emotions and reacts to tragedy in a relatable way that a real person would. This is unacceptable to me.
3. It showed women in roles of authority over men, which clearly constitutes a feminist activist agenda.
4. The main protagonist was able to achieve a mastery of the force without completing the required, multi-year courses in force proficiency to make me believe in her abilities, even though I had no problem with a young child and a teenager in the previous trilogies doing great things without training.
5. The humor was off-putting, because no previous SW film ever had any measure of cornball humor in it at all.
7. The Canto Bight sequence was pointless, even though it lasted about 12 minutes of screen time out of 2.5 hours. To make it more meaningful, they should've been chased into an asteroid field, hid inside a large asteroid only to discover they were in a giant space slug's stomach, then escape and be chased around again, then escape again, then land in a city and trust a guy who betrays them there. It would've been so much more meaningful to the plot.
6. It was too different, even though I complained about The Force Awakens not being different enough.

 

Super witty. That doesn't encapsulate me as a fan, but if it helps you sleep.

 

Obviously you didn't get the point being made. Maybe eventually it will come to you.

 

TLJ had the same amount of humor as any other Star Wars film.

 

Seriously, can anyone defend this movie without accusing people who didn't like it of sexism? It seems not, because that always gets conveniently slipped in there.

 

They're being sarcastic...