"I've felt this raw strength once before..."

The point being made is that is how Luke viewed Ben - not that he was the actual chosen one. Hence why Luke "wasn't as scared of it as he should've been". He was blinded by what Ben could've been and doesn't want to make the same mistake with Rey.

 

I know but there are still people that believe that the Story Group or Rian Johnson, one of, if not the most devoted George Lucas' fans on the whole planet, will try to create a new Chose One.

 

I see, yeah they won't.
I can see them making it one piece of a bigger picture but certainly not changing it and taking apart what Lucas made.

 

I hope so.

Also, Looper is exactly the Western ethos applied. How does the hero solve the problem at the end? With severe violence.

I've seen his other films as well. Nothing special. Looper included. It's the kind of story that, if it's one of your first times being exposed to that kind of structure, then it's mindblowing. It's the same story as Gladiator, Shane, Gran Torino, Sin City: That Yellow Bastard, etc and countless others. The hero committing himself to a glorified act of violence to 'save' others. It's just structurally different with the time travel.

I'm not talking about his storytelling ability. He's parsecs ahead of Jar Jar.

Also, ANH is pure Western mythos. Technically speaking, Luke's a mass murderer. It was just that dash of Eastern that was groundbreaking at the time.

I hope RJ takes Luke into or at least around Force God territory and explores it. ' The Jedi must end' sounds like he has, but it also sounds like it could be the opposite. TLJ's rumored running time is slightly encouraging: deeper development of themes requires more time. But this could also be the rumored Reylo thing.

Back on topic: a TLJ that explores Luke being a Force God that has seen the limits of everything and hides out of mercy for others - even Snoke and Ben the murderer is an interesting development in Luke's story. Anything less than that can storywise only end with him in a Yoda/Obi Wan role. Which could turn out fine, but it's just the same as before but with new young characters.

 

Funny, as I've said, before TFA came and we were all trying to figure things out, I hoped that Luke had done something crazy with the force that scared him so he went into hiding. I still hope that, of course.

At the time, I hoped and (wrongly) guessed that he used the force to bring his niece back to life, almost by accident. In a fit of emotion/sadness/grief, he accomplishes on accident what Vader set out to do- stop someone from dying.

However, she didn't remember anything. The process wiped her memory or whatever. Thus, explaining the mystery surrounding Rey.

People thought she was dead, and she didn't remember anything. Scared of what he did and how he tapped into the darkside, he leaves.


I never thought Luke should do something uber violent with the Force. I always hoped the sequel trilogy would tie in to all 6 films, no matter how awful the prequels were.

 

Where'd Luke learn that?

#SnokeIsPlagueisConfirmed

 

Here let me help you. *ignites light saber and sticks it through the speculations. Watches it fall off a bridge*

 

He's talking about Rey now and Kylo then. I do not think they are siblings so I did not vote.

 

The line refers to young Ben. There was that whole EW article where Mark Hamill mentioned Luke saw Ben as his "chosen one", and Snoke constantly refers to Kylo Ren as exceptionally powerful as well. It's so obvious.

 

So being able to make a crack in a cliff through the Force is considered "truly special" and "scary" now?

Did the filmmakers watch the prequels? Dooku and Yoda were able to crack the ceiling off a mountain in AOTC. It's nothing new.

 

Whether he is or isn't is not something I'm debating. I'm just saying that back in August we got news that reported that Luke believed he was the Chosen One. I'm not sure why he thought that (it's something that I'd imagine they'd explain in TLJ) but all this points to the fact that when Luke says he's seen raw power like Rey's before, he was referring to Ben. Whether or not he was the actual chosen one - I'm neutral on it. Just from a metadata standpoint I'd think the fact alone that Kylo had 2 parents rules him out as the Chosen One like Anakin.

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Not sure that Rey was trying to crack the cliff and she is relatively young/new to the Force, it should be beyond her ability to do I would think.

 

That's not the point. The point is that Luke is scared of this, even though he previously saw Yoda lift up a X-wing from a swamp. Besides, after 30+ years Luke should have had plenty of time to master his Force skills and be able to pull off the same stuff.

But I think I'm starting to understand why Mark Hamill disagreed so much with Rian Johnson about the character of Luke Skywalker. It seems Rian Johnson is turning Luke into a grumpy old man who's pretty much useless, and the explanation will be that he's given up.

 

You don't know that. The point of the trailer was to throw us all off our rockers and question everything. They really showed nothing of spoilers at all just clever editing and misdirection. They gave us things to speculate and nothing more.

Luke isn't scared of Rey.

 

I didn't say Luke was scared of Rey. I said Luke is scared of the raw strength. You can't deny this, because this is what he says in the trailer.

Unless they cut this line from the film completely (which wouldn't be surprise by now after what happend with Rogue One).

 

Ahhh...I see what you mean. I don't know. I kinda don't believe a great many things in the trailer as they are. But I do think he may be scared of something, but itc be of his own power. I'm not sure.

 

And, "Soon I'll be dead, and you with me," so assuredly...

 

The obvious.

Luke is talking about Ben.

Also in the trailer, Snoke is talking about Ben.

And Luke is afraid of something he learned about the Force, maybe he feels sorry about his father and is afraid of Rey's potential.

Hey, is it only me or everytime I see that scene with Kylo talking to Darth Vader's helmet, I think of Rick Moranis Dark Helmet talking to his dolls?

 

I'll just quote myself from the other thread: https://thecantina.starwarsnewsnet....-is-talking-about-in-the-trailer.52875/page-2

Theory 1: (Luke is talking about) Young Rey, and why (basically, everything is about Rey)

Theory 2: (Luke is talking about) Rey's mother/possibly Luke's wife THEN and Rey NOW

Because, yes, Rey's force-fart on the rock wasn't that impressive in of itself.

 

Luke was really scared. I bet he wished she arrived at his order instead of Ben.