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"I've felt this raw strength once before..."

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Last Jedi' started by Jedihopper, Oct 12, 2017.

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Who is the one Luke felt the strength from "once before"?

  1. Ben Solo - because Rey is his sister, duh

    38 vote(s)
    70.4%
  2. Anakin/Vader - because Rey is him reincarnated, duh

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    3.7%
  3. Palpatine - because Rey is his clone, duh

    10 vote(s)
    18.5%
  4. Kenobi - because Hello There and Rey Kenobi and ReyLo, duh

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  1. master_shaitan

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    "I've seen this raw strength only once before - it didn't scare me enough then. It does now".
    Just analyse the sentence guys:

    "I've seen this raw strength only once before"
    - Luke has never met Rey and doesn't know who she is.
    - Rey only started using the Force in TFA.
    - Palpatine & Vader were trained. Their power cannot be described as raw.
    - Luke separates what he sees in Rey now from what he saw before, otherwise it would be "I wasn't scared enough of her/your raw strength then..."

    "it didn't scare me enough then. It does now"
    - Luke is saying that he wasn't scared enough when he first saw this power, as in he was ignorant to it. Again, this rules out Vader and Palpatine as he knew what he was heading into.
    - Secondly, Luke "defeated" Vader and Sidious. It wouldn't then make sense to suggest he wasn't scared enough then as he was victorious.
    - If this is indeed Rey (the once before), why would he be more negative about her now? He saw her raw strength before, nothing happened...Rey arrives x amount of years later and she's good and wants to be a Jedi - what is to fear? What's the problem?


    The only thing that makes sense is that Luke is saying:

    "I've seen this raw strength before in Ben. It didn't scare me enough then and that was my undoing. He betrayed me and killed all my students. You have/Rey has this same power and so, I am fearful of it now".

    And again, with Snoke - he's likely talking about Ren and there is little to suggest he has ever "found" Rey.
    The story is about how Ben has become his grandfather and the fear that someone like Rey, with the power she has, will follow him down the same path.
    At the end of TFA novel, Leia says something along the lines of "I know this is right [to send you to Luke}. It won't be the same as what happened with my son".
    Essentially, that is the story here. We're supposed to worry about Rey turning bad - as with any hero journey. And it is why Luke is so fearful.
    But as we know, and Luke will surely remember: fear is the path to the Dark Side. Luke needs to let go of his fear and help make sure Rey doesn't give in to hers...
     
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    It's not only you. God, Spaceballs is such an amazing movie.
     
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    Do we know for a fact that Luke has never seen Rey before?

    Do we know for a fact that Rey has never exhibited powers in her youth?
     
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    Noobs. He is clearly talking about Vima Da-Boda, descendent of Vima Sunrider of the Old Republic. Her raw odor was so powerful. This is clearly what he is referencing.
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    Is that Smeagol?
     
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    Well, Daisy said Luke has never met her and doesn't know who she is...I guess we'll see. Certainly doesn't seem to me that he knows her.
     
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    Expect the unexpected is what my gut says, as well as what we are being led to believe, no? But I agree - we'll see!

    no-one-expects-the-spanish-inquisition-gif-2.gif
     
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    #PlagueisConfirmed
     
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    God, I hope that Disney is not reviving this Chosen One story arc. One, it would make Rey even more of a Mary Sue. And two, IT HAS ALREADY BEEN DONE. To revive the Chosen One arc would be cheap and unoriginal.
     
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    Where is Vader/Anakin in the sequel trilogy? If force ghosts like Qui-Gon, Obi-Wan, and Yoda are able to continue their existence, where is he? We saw him at the end of ROTJ.

    I think this caused difficulty for the storytellers, and they decided to lean into it.

    Remember, Kylo has communed with Vader. In the force awakens, he says "Show me again grandfather". He has seen him. He thinks he is carrying out his grandfather's mission of some sort. Ghost Vader persists. Maybe the helmet Kylo has helps anchor him. Maybe that's why Kylo wanted the lightsaber.

    I think Luke is saying he wasn't afraid of Vader when he first "redeemed" him. I think that has now changed. I think the ghost of Vader has been up to something naughty since ROTJ. So when a new Chosen One appears, he is rightfully afraid of the implications.
     
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    I believe people are misinterpreting the whole Ben Chosen One thing Hamill said. I think what Mark meant was that Ben Solo was Luke's "Chosen One"; someone he saw great potential in, someone with the power to change the galaxy. Luke became so invested in what they could achieve together, that he never stopped to think whether Ben was ready etc. We all saw how that turned out.

    With Rey Luke is more cautious and wary of her and himself.

    That's what I read into.
     
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    Awesome line by Luke.
     
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    I don't believe Luke is hiding because he is afraid of Kylo. And if he isn't afraid of Kylo, I still think we need to know what happened to Ghost Anakin. I'm surprised more people aren't discussing it.
     
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    I think he's talking about Kylo Ren. While I don't believe Luke has gone to the dark side, or will at any point in this film, I do believe that Ben awakened the darkness in Luke and caused a lot of internal conflict. Then Rey comes along and awakens the light within Luke (the balance). The teaser poster and some of the merchandising would indicate that Luke, Rey, and Ben are at the center of this film, with how their stories tie into each other also serving as a crucial part to the story.

    I really think that The Last Jedi will emphasize the contrasts between Rey and Ben, with Luke serving as the mediator that kind of demonstrates it. Ben's effect on Luke will be shown at the beginning, with him being depressed, afraid, and unwilling to train Rey. However, at some point, something will happen with Rey that will make him find himself, I think, and pull him back into the fight against the First Order. (Perhaps he will realize that she's his daughter?)
     
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    I think Luke is talking about Rey. I think, just thinking, that when he says that line hes talking about Rey when she was little. he wasnt afraid at first cause he was trying to teach her. but when everything failed for Luke he had to leave her on Jakku.Now that she is back he realizes that she is stronger and untapped power is greater now.

    I still think the trailer leads us but its about Rey and Kylo. i think Snoke does something to Kylo to where he might not be enough to become apart of the darkside. I think Rey(like Luke on ESB) leaves early with Luke telling her in the trailer "what do you thinks gonna happen" somehting like that. she leaves and gets caught by Snoke. snoke and Kylo argue and leads him to pick up his lightsaber and leaves.
     
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    The question we should be asking is what did Rey do to make Luke say this? He says this line while seemingly in the Jedi Temple since there is a seal on the ground.

    So is the consensus here that Luke saw Ben Solo had raw power but in his heart thought it was too dangerous to unlock his power with training? Now he’s saying to Rey, “sorry, I’m not continuing your training because it makes you too dangerous.” .???
     
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    Yes...I don't think we're seeing any contradiction of the Chosen One prophecy. Anakin was meant to destroy the Sith. Vader and the Emperor were the Sith. He destroyed Vader and the Emperor. Chosen One prophecy fulfilled.

    Sounds that way, which may be how Rey winds up with the Resistance again. Perhaps, after training for a time, that's when Luke snaps.
     
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    Part of me kind of wants Luke to be talking to Force ghost Anakin and/or Obi-Wan and/or Yoda and/or Qui-Gon (but more so Anakin) when he's explaining that he's only witnessed this type of power once before...

    (r2-d2)
     
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    Luke did not defeat Palpatine. Vader did. Luke went into that meeting thinking and worrying only about Vader. If not for the unexpected act of his father Luke dies.

    Palpatines power is raw not as in untrained, but raw as in he is the only character in the films to electrocute someone nearly to death without raising a sword. A more refined weapon. Even his killing of Mace is Raw. He dispatched the entire council in one move. A jedi council mind you.
     
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    Thank you! This is why I am flustered by the whole raw power=Kylo or Rey. In ROTJ Luke sees the "true nature of the force" according to Palpatine. Darth Sidious unleashes raw power on Luke, the likes of which he didn't imagine existed. And you are correct, Luke does NOT defeat Palpatine. Luke was not afraid of the emperor, not as afraid as he should have been.

    Flash forward to Kylo/Ben. He is obviously powerful, but he's no Vader and he's certainly not Darth Sidious. A fully trained Sith Lord, at the height of his power. Sidious would beat Kylo Ren like a red-headed step child! LOL
     
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