"I've felt this raw strength once before..."

I am with you guys on this. He underestimated Palpatine despite Yoda's warning. He was focused on his father and if it wasn't for Vader, he would have been dead. Luke wasn't afraid because he was prepared to die on the Death Star.

Fast forward to Old Luke, he's still not afraid for himself, but what this power could do to the galaxy. In my opinion, Luke wants the Jedi to end because he sees ANYONE using the force as a danger. As long as there are Jedi, there will be fallen Jedi. As long as there are fallen Jedi, there will be overpowering evil and no harmony in the galaxy.

 

So what happens to the prophecy if Snoke turns out to be ancient Sith?

 

We have seen 20 seconds of Luke in a film post ROTJ. The teaser or trailer aren't going to show a bunch of force ghosts.

 

And maybe the movies won't address any of them. But if they decide to show Yoda, they need to deal with Anakin. And if they go that route, I think the storytellers are going to want to show us Vader, not Anakin.

Rey even calls out Kylo on this.. that he isn't ever going to have the power of Vader. Luke isn't afraid of Kylo. He is probably very afraid of the dead grandfather Kylo is communing with.

 

I think they will keep Vader for the standalone films, we might see Anakin Force-Ghost but I really doubt that.

 

Then in that case, I suppose Yoda was right: the prophecy was misread. And maybe that's what the sequel trilogy will be doing with Rey and/or Kylo Ren.

 

In the Sci-Fi/Fantasy genre prophecies tend to be cyclical and repeat with slightly different nuances. Anakin was the Chosen One who defeated the Sith and brought balance to the Force. That does not mean that after a time something new causes an imbalance in the Force again that is addressed by a different prophecy can’t happen. There can be a different prophecy about a new Chosen One that will bring balance back to the Force. Luke may think that it was supposed to be Ben. It could end up being Rey. Also, prophecies can be interpreted in different ways so Kylo could believe that he is the Chosen One and that under his interpretation or Snoke’s, that he will bring balance with what he is doing.

 

Let's put it this way: Anakin/Vader is in every single "official canon" Star Wars film, in some form or another (such as his melted helm in TFA).

If the prequel trilogy is ultimately Anakin's fall to the dark side and becoming Vader, and the original trilogy is about Vader's redemption and return to the light side, then the sequel trilogy, I think, can be seen as the consequences of Anakin/Vader's actions on the galaxy from I - VI.

I wouldn't be surprised at all if we see Anakin/Vader's force ghost, the two sides of Anakin, talking to Rey and Kylo respectively. You know, his two grandchildren?

 

It has to be about him in some way.
Like you say: Prequels - creation of Vader. Originals - Vader's redemption. Sequels - Vader's legacy.
He is what makes the Skywalker Saga the Skywalker Saga. And I think we have to see "Vader" in some capacity.
Ren hinted at his appearance in some kind when he asks the helmet to show him the power of the Dark Side again.
And if it is true that Yoda makes an appearance, one must question: why not Luke's father?

 

Precisely this: the saga is all about Anakin Skywalker.

Regardless of Rey's heritage, and regardless of the fact that we know Kylo's, this is why I'm not sure how I feel about the prospects of another trilogy (X - XII) in the saga, because, by then, the story might have become very diluted from being a story to do with Anakin to something entirely different (which might as well be its own trilogy, separate from the Skywalker saga).

These next two months are both going to drag and be intense fun.

 

Exactly. That's why I feel the Skywalker Saga must end with IX and a new series of films about new characters can begin some time in the future.
The Skywalker story starts and ends with Vader. And I can't see how they can legitimately continue his story beyond this trilogy.

 

100% agree with that.

whether or not LF agree with that...


are they brave enough to start over 50 yrs.. 100 yrs after these events with new characters and a brand new story?
i'd love to think so, but i'm not sure.

 

I'd like:

- A Harry Potter style 7 part saga, following 3 padawans in the new Jedi Order.
- A Game of Thrones Style TV series, set in the days of early space travel in the GFFA.
- A Knight of Old Republic and Plagueis/Sidious anthology films. And an origin/discovery of the Force story set before "technology".

Back on topic:

Luke is talking about Ren.

 

love it

loving it more

you are really on a roll now bro! love this!!

he may include Ben in his fears.. but i do not believe he is talking about him.

 

Okay let's hear your theory....




Actually, wait a second!














Ok, now I'm ready for it.

--- Double Post Merged, Oct 17, 2017, Original Post Date: Oct 17, 2017 ---

Snoke once being a Sith makes no difference to the prophecy.
The prophecy was about Anakin bringing balance to the Force.
Pre-TPM the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct. But clearly, there was a vibe that the balance was altering and that some value was placed in the prophecy.
Then it emerges that the Sith did exist and were up to no good.
The Jedi then assume, correctly, that to bring balance the Sith must be destroyed.
This is no because the Sith merely exist - but it is about what this specific Sith are up to.
Now, if you're a Sith or Dark Sider, then you're going to be doing bad things and creating imbalance. But if you were perhaps an old Sith that has been badly beaten up and is living in the Unknown Regions, biding your time - then you will not impact upon the balance in anyway.

Thus when Anakin destroyed The Sith, both Sidious and himself, he brought balance because those who were actively oppressing the galaxy were destroyed. The Empire lost its power and hope returned to the galaxy. This then allowed for the balance between light and dark to return. When Sidious was around, he ensured that the dark dominated the light - hence the imbalance.

 

omg what a coincidence... i wear that exact same hat before i read any posts about Snoke being Plagueis

 

You took that from the Art of Star Wars, a concept that will not be used, I have all the art books btw...hehe

 

Touché.

 

This seems to operate on the assumption that Snoke was just sitting there, idly by, twiddling his thumbs. We don't yet know what he was up to. We don't yet know if he is Sith. And if the Sith's mere existence - as interpreted - is what needs to be destroyed for balance then balance has not been brought. Or, it has been interpreted incorrectly. Yes, it's true the Jedi thought the Sith were extinct, but that would be a silly notion if they were expecting (realistically) a savior to come bring balance. What balance? What threat? Either they didn't take it seriously, or they held out the possibility of the Sith existing in real time, or they thought both were future occurrences (Sith coming back and a Chosen One appearing).

Either way, none of this matters and Plagueis lives, duh.