SPECULATION IX, Legacy, and Reylo Ramble

1. It's a stupid marketing decision 2 kill off every last living Skywalker. That's like killing off every Marvel mutant.

2. Reylo is nothing but a tease.

Also anybody can now use the Force without training (Stable Boy). A huge gripe i have with RJ.

 

Not necessarily. Rey and Ben could still have children. But this doesn't mean they will play a big part in future trilogies. Maybe they aren't even force sensitive.

 

RJ is obviously a huge fan of Harry Potter.

 

if Rey and Ben have children, they will be Solos.
the pro-Skywalker or Don't Care people can shrug and call them Skywalkers.
the anti-Skywalker or End Saga people can call them Solos.
it already doesn't matter who or how anybody is connected to the Force.

sounds like it could be a total win-win for everyone.

chances are the ST will end with this open-ended possibility dangling.
Rey and Ben will defeat the FO, they'll smile at each other, then jump into the Falcon off to adventures unknown.
and as the credits roll everyone can argue whether they build a new jedi order or get married and have 16 kids.

or both. : D

 

Why I don't consider Ren/Ben a Skywalker.

Guys do u consider Nicole Kidman an American? Do u consider Bob Hope an Englishman? Well guess what, She was born in Hawaii. He was born in England. Most of the world considers Kidman an Aussie & Hope an American.

Ben/Ren is a Solo.

 

You just described the movie Logan.

You realize that right?

 

Correction. I mean every mutant. Well Disney/Marvel was going to replace them with Inhumans then the merger was announced.

 

Yep i have a feeling this is what's going to happen (in terms of open ended) since JJ loves the mystery box trope

 

Definitely!

In my opinion, the more personal, the better the story because we can grow closer to individual characters and care more about them.

It's interesting that TLJ resulted in a very small core of Resistance protagonists.

This sets up a very interesting ratio of key individuals confronting an expansive First Order as well as Kylo Ren's growing Dark Side powers.

The Original Trilogy had the most wonderful core of classic characters, even as the Rebellion at that point was greater in size and reach than the Sequel Trilogy Resistance.

The Sequel Trilogy seems to emphasize individual journeys by keeping central characters -- Rey, Finn, Poe -- on distinct paths of challenges and self-discovery.

Ben also seems to be very much on his own, even more so now without Snoke hanging over him pulling his strings.

I'd prefer Ben to stay on that particular journey, leading the First Order as "Supreme Leader" from a distance while he pursues his own journey either deeper into the Dark Side or towards the Light.

All of this can go in many directions.

Ben could try to fulfill his desire to become or surpass Darth Vader, perhaps even trying his hand at ruling the galaxy on his own from Vader's castle on Mustafar, relying more on the Dark Side of the Force than the First Order.

Hux is another unknown variable. He was a comedic vehicle and punching bag in TLJ, but perhaps he still has a major role to fulfill. Elsewhere on this forum I proposed that, if Snoke is somehow able to live on by transferring temporarily to another being, perhaps that could be Hux. In that situation, Hux could be a new challenge for Kylo Ren who suddenly needs Rey to help him repel Snoke's attempt to return and transfer again.

Rey could decide, like Luke, Ahsoka, and Qui-Gon, to follow her own path outside of the Jedi doctrine.

Poe could have learned from Holdo and even be willing to sacrifice himself for the Resistance (reborn as a "Rebellion" as the end of TLJ).

Finn could even step up and become a leader within the Resistance/Rebellion and/or lead what I proposed earlier: a Stormtrooper uprising, helping to defeat the First Order not through violence but through making the First Order aware how they were manipulated -- brainwashed and mind-controlled -- since birth to fight for a Dark Side cause.

In my opinion, TLJ offers a potentially great setup for a variety of circumstances in IX. The storytellers should be able to extrapolate some amazing storylines.

An equally compelling question is how much closure can / will / should be attained at the end of this trilogy. I don't expect everything to be neatly concluded, but I believe most or all major questions and conflicts should find some honest degree of resolution.

Done well, without shortsightedness, any "end" of IX could make for an even greater beginning for future generations of Star Wars stories.

 

Our heroes should journey together.And I think Kylo should have a cruel coldhearted bastard of a psychopath disciple.

 

I do think circumstances in IX could happen to make that so!

 

Could you explain what you mean by Reylo, and why you think it would negate the message of the "The Force belongs to anybody"?

 

what if the two most powerful Force users in the galaxy have Force-null children?

i think the idea is that genetics alone does not determine your strength/abilities to tap into the Force (like Rey).
does it matter if Ben married someone else and had kids and Rey did the same?
if Rey's children (with or without Ben) are powerful, then it's the same problem, different bloodline.

so no, i don't think whether Rey and Ben have kids together undercuts the message.
they won't be the only Force users in the galaxy, regardless.
and if the storytellers want to tell stories about them in particular, that's fine, give the Skywalker fans what they want in that regard.
but it's not just Ben's bloodline that matters. Rey Nobody is still supplying 50% of the genetic material to make that happen.

 

this is kind of why i think they will leave it open ended until they can come up with a clever solution or the cultural temperature changes (rather than trying to push it). not that i think Rey has anything to worry about in terms of getting overshadowed by Ben.
if they end up together, the whole idea is balance, so she will always have strengths to counter his weaknesses, and the converse is also true. Ben may dominate in the eyes of some diehard Skywalker fans and there's no controlling that, but i don't think that's problematic per se.

and maybe they would choose to have no children of their own, but to adopt instead: to take in orphans (like George himself did) as a nod to nobody children all over who can always be somebody whether they were born to the most powerful Force users in the galaxy or just brought into their family in another way.

 

I consider this a potentially legitimate concern in general. It's often enough portrayed in media (music, movies, books, TV) that "someone is no one until they are loved" and in some ostensibly stable and socially-approved relationship.

I think the truth is more along the lines of "someone is no one until they accept who they are": you are the source of your most personal identity. Which elevates the importance of perception, self-esteem, and one's overall concept of self-image.

Rey's search for belonging, her inward commitment to an unrealistic (as of TLJ) familial reunion, all speak toward her sense of self and some degree of denial (up to TLJ).

Accepting the truth -- if what we were told in TLJ was the truth -- is a sign of mental maturity in Rey -- an already mentally strong character who could already face down Kylo, hold herself back from striking him down in TFA, survive Snoke, and easily best his Praetorian Guard.

Luke's lessons and dialogue with Rey will also contribute to her character, particularly as she relates to, interacts with, and understands the Force.

Because of this, I think Rey is less susceptible to having to define herself through other people's eyes as of TLJ.

She is gregarious, eager to help those who mean much to her (like Luke), but she is very much her own person -- resourceful enough to have survived for as long as she did on Jakku -- yet not entirely hardened or tuned out of life according to that challenging past.

She was established early on in TFA as being compassionate towards BB-8 -- at least twice, I believe: first saving the droid from another scavenger and then refusing to sell the droid to Unkar Plutt. She has a natural tendency to care and to lead.

Her natural sense of initiative and her openness to the Force can help her find more answers yet, I think, if she learns to trust in herself and in the Force.

Even there Luke could be helpful as well, helping her trend towards the Light Side of the Force, while the ancient Jedi manuscripts might prove least helpful in developing any stronger sense of self.

The old Jedi doctrine would certainly preach towards being selfless, avoiding attachments, remaining dispassionate, but, very much like Luke, I believe Rey can intuitively navigate situations and maintain, if not strengthen, meaningful and loving human connections while remaining true to the Force and, most of all, herself.

Sort of reminds me of Shakespeare's character Polonius addressing his son Laertes (brother of Ophelia) in Hamlet:

"This above all: to thine ownself be true,
And it must follow, as the night the day,
Thou canst not then be false to any man."
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(Even a sort of echoic of the Journal of the Whills in that second line: "First comes the day, then comes the night.")

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i think that leia and ben solo were both suppose to live in the end with a platonic reylo romance...now I think the chances of a reylo romance with sexual consequences and children just been guaranteed. disney wants to make more saga movies

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rey having the family she always wanted does not negate any message about the force...especially when she is a nobody