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SPECULATION IX, Legacy, and Reylo Ramble

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Use the Falchion, Jan 14, 2018.

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    Where did you hear this? When I see "new characters" and such, I imagine we're not gonna see the Empire or the First Order.

    I also think you should either let go of your hatred of Rian and learn to deal with it, or ignore that his trilogy is happening. Most folks dig what he's done.
     
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    Maybe it was from a Nerdist report? Not sure. It was a few months ago.

    I'll never let go.of my hatred of 8! It makes me stronger! Gives me focus!

    No really, who sed i hated it? Me & many others strongly dislike it.
     
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    the first order could easily live past episode 9...the presence of the resistance could be replaced with galactic alliance(the post episode 9 team good government). yes i know everything about batuu(the planet that star wars land is set), and yes i do believe batuu will be the new planet in which a trilogy will begin because all star wars protagonist have a sense of adventure, and batuu is the perfect place in which episode X can begin
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    batuu is a no brainer planet to start a trilogy on...not only does the setting look like a fantastical mix of all 3 trilogies but it is a place where our potential protagonists will be essentially be brought up with the frontier spirit and need for adventure. immagine a kid living there with his controlling parent and watching pirates smugglers and the like all his life
     
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    This is the main plot of the Sequel Trilogy? Really? Despite the fact that George Lucas had already created characters who WERE NOT members of the Skywalker family and who also had strong connections to the Force? This is Kathleen Kennedy and Rian Johnson's excuse to end the Skywalker family saga?


    "Platonic reylo romance"? What? You can't deal with Rey becoming romantically involved with a black man?


    Did you ever consider that J.J. Abrams MIGHT NOT support the idea of a "Reylo" romance in Episode IX? I realize that Rian Johnson, whom I'm beginning to suspect cannot deal with black characters, saw a potential romance in "Reylo". But what if Abrams thought differently?
     
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    you know that is never gonna happen, if Rey and Ben did have a kid I would bet everything i own ever that at some point they will do episode 10 and it will centre around that child an they will defiantly be force sensitive.
    If their is another Skywalker child after this series, you will get an episode 10 about it at some point.
     
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    But the Saga is no longer bout special famlies. It's now about Broom Kid & nobodies with drunk parents. The Organa, Solo, Lars & Skywaker famlies end with the death of Kylo.
     
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    Anyone who thinks that Broomboi is going to be anybody super-important in the future of Star Wars canon missed the entire point of that scene... And by extension, some of the central messages of The Last Jedi.

    Luke Skywalker didn't get to do some shallow Force Unleashed stuff at the end, as much as we all would have liked to have seen that. What he did was arguably more important: he inspired an entire generation of people who have never seen Jedi in their entire lives by returning, facing down the First Order, and saving the Resistance in what looked to be their final hour. And that story spread quickly, as even some children who only vaguely heard about the Resistance are now gushing over his deeds.

    Skywalker was already a legend in the minds of those who had heard the stories, like Rey. But he disappeared when he was needed most, and in his absence the terror of the First Order took hold. Hope was lost... Until he saved the Resistance on Crait (and in all likelihood will continue to kick ass through the Force itself). Luke Skywalker gave a generation something to believe in... And now, the stage is set for an entire generation of Force-Sensitive kids to become Luke Skywalkers in their own right.

    Bloodline, in this case, is not important - which is why they're selling Star Wars Episode IX as the end of the Skywalker Saga. If anything, Ben's heritage arguably made him a worse person than he would have been without it. Furthermore, prior to Shmi getting pregnant with the Force, there was nothing intrinsically special about the Skywalker lineage - and the situation is exactly the same with whatever future Force-wielders they plan to introduce. Lucasfilm easily could have made the Sequel Trilogy about every OT character's babies and played things safe, but they didn't, and I actually think that that's a better decision for the story they're telling now.

    With all that in mind, I still think it's absolutely imperative that Episode IX explains why there is a generation of Force-wielders who know how to do stuff with the field of living energy with little to actually expose them on how to use it, and that it's also important to establish that in spite of the First Order screwing everything up in the span of a few weeks, the Skywalker family's battle to restore the Republic and the Jedi wasn't in vain (which, to get back on topic, is the "legacy" I think the OP is referring to). But as it stands, both The Force Awakens and its sequel support the importance of legacy beyond lineage and why you don't have to be tied to a specific family tree to be a hero.

    Rian Johnson will make his first movie in the trilogy that he'll oversee. That's a done deal. To cancel it and sever ties with a director that Lucasfilm has actually gotten along with would be a PR disaster waiting to happen, and they've had enough already.

    I don't think that J. J. Abrams will bring up the "Reylo" angle at all because TLJ more or less shut the door on it (more on that in just a second). I also don't think Rian Johnson was trying to insinuate that Ben and Rey's aborted romance was the absolute focal point of this trilogy. The connection between these two characters is something that had to be addressed after TFA, and I think how they approached it made sense: the two feel isolated from their families for varying reasons.

    The powers that be at Lucasfilm deliberately compared the shot of a determined Rey closing the door on a pathetic-looking Ben to the final shot of The Godfather, in which the protagonist's wife watches as the mobsters close her out of her husband's business. Don Corleone is truly a vile man at this point, and she realizes it... Not hard to see the parallel here.
     
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    when was the force ever limited to the skywalkers (or to any specific families for that matter? There were 3 different famileis using the force in the OT (kenobi,skywalker,palpatine)
     
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    Palpatine doesn't have a family of Force users, and given that his obsession is with power and immortality, I see him as being asexual. He'd have no use for producing offspring since he coveted complete control over the Galaxy for himself; the only time I'd imagine he'd enter any kind of sexual relationship is if he wanted to manipulate someone.

    Kenobi is also just one dude. Not a family line. The Skywalkers are the only major family tohave explicit ties to the Force.
     
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    my point was that the force has never been a single blood line's thing, it's always been sort of "free for all". also are there any other jedis/siths in canon that have offspring ?
     
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    I like that idea.. How better to portray the balance than having a dad inclined to the dark and a mom inclined to the light...
    I think it's settled that Force users come from anywhere, so that really don't cloud the point.
    I think this is getting as interesting as the story of the beginning of Jedis and Siths :'0
     
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    I can't shut the door on Reylo because of Maz Kanata's speech to Rey in TFA. Maz was talking about Ben Solo. I'd bet serious money on it.
     
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    Indeed. But you know what he also did, which chimes with what he said about the Force "not belonging to the Jedi" - he showed that the Force was real and what was possible. It only struck me on my last viewing, but he did something so incredible - and also observable - that would show the galaxy that the Force is a real, tangible thing and that it is there for everyone.

    I think that links in to Rey's profound abilities. My feeling is that she has become powerful as quickly as she has because of her belief. A belief helped by her connection to Ren - and the insight into what was possible that came with that. Thus, by extension, Broomboi shows us a use of the Force that we haven't seen an untrained kid do throughout the saga. And yet, perhaps this was possible because he heard of/witnessed in some way, Luke's incredible display of the Force and it made him realise what he could do?

    But yeah, Broomboi has had his moment. He was a metaphor & example of what Luke achieved, not some future Jedi hero for Rian's yet-to-be-written trilogy.
     
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    No, I really do think Reylo will happen.
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    Haha, I'm kinda new and I don't know how to like your comment, but I agree.
     
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    I don’t think we will see any more ReyLo in IX. Rey physically and metaphorically shut the door on Kylo at the end of TLJ. I don’t see a romance between them. However, I would not rule out that Kylo has feelings/is obsessed with her but she would not reciprocate them.
     
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    Well, it will definetely turn SW into something like the Twilight series...

    Actually, it seems it is quite wanted by new fans; (discussion on star wars.com...which character to take to a lonely island) Disney/LF will have to try cater to new fans to make up for the ones they have lost.

    reylo.jpg

    Plenty of fan art showing the way;

    reylo 2.jpg

    In my opinion, the whole theme is quite detrimental to women. And I think of myself as a feminist... Don't know if it's necessary to explain. Either you see why, or you don't.
     
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    Heck yes, it's detrimental to women. The guy does horrible things to you and the ones you care about, and oh yeah, he murdered his own father in front of you. Oh well, three short conversations and finger touching make up for all of that.:rolleyes: That pairing would kill SW for good. And don't worry about the "new fans." I read something months ago where several were saying that Reylo is the only reason that they were into SW and if they didn't get their couple then they would be done with SW. That should tell you all you need to know.
     
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    Anakin and Padme's wasn't much better... they knew it was bad to begin with, yet they did it anyway.
     
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    True, she should have never married a guy who went crazy and slaughtered an entire village. However, the audience knew it was coming and it was inevitable. Plus, Anakin never showed any violent or abusive tendencies toward Padme until after he was gone to the dark side, and she made it clear she would not follow him. Rey and Kylo are a completely different scenario and I can't see any situation at this point where you can sell the audience on the bad guy doing a 180 and then skipping off into the sunset with our female hero.
     
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