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SPECULATION IX, Legacy, and Reylo Ramble

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Use the Falchion, Jan 14, 2018.

  1. Kylocity

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    Every time I read the word “mind- rape” in this board I giggle a little. People use it so earnestly, as if it was a terrible thing that Kylo does, using the word “rape” to give the whole procedure a violence which I particularly did not feel at all in the movie... and well, considering that no one can really mind-rape anyone, and we have absolutely zero experience of this alleged “mind-rape”, how can we people be so very indignant about the whole concept? Wouldn’t Kylo mind-raping Rey in our real world be simply like him pouring over her diary, having a right laugh about all the crappy poetry she writes in her free time or grabbing her phone and reading all the cringey messages to her BFF?

    Reading someone’s diary or phone messages is certainly in bad taste if the person is your friend, but is it really so bad to get in the head of a stranger, or an enemy, as it is the case here? Is a word as truly violent as “rape” really justified when defining this particular action? I think not.
     
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    Well... in Battlefront 2's ending Kylo does the same thing. It's certainly a bit more then just reading someone's diary or text messages...

     
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    I can only see him there hurting someone’s head... he did not do such thing to Rey.
     
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    same thing with Poe. there's a distinct difference in the way he treats them. and it's very deliberate.
     
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    Absolutely. Those guys were tortured. Rey wasn’t.
     
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    Remember that time Darth Vader mind-raped his son in RoTJ?
    A sentence I've never heard! ↑
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    I get (and like) your angle here, but can't both love (platonic or otherwise) and reason play a part in decision making?
    After all: "Reason, to be accurate, must be supplemented by emotion." - Reinhold Niebuhr
     
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    I think that it has always been the plan to redeem Kylo. I think with IX initially being “Leia’s“ movie it was going to be her to redeem Kylo. Unfortunately now that is not possible. As far as Kylo being irredeemable, I agree with one of the previous posts that mentioned that if Vader can be redeemed and it be accepted, Kylo can be as well. I think at this point it would be Rey who leads him to his redemption. It does not have to be in a romantic way either. A more plutonic love would be the cause. Part of Ben Solo’s turn was because he did not feel loved. It was not because he felt like he was not loved by some hotty on Chandrilla, Hosnian Prime OT whichever other planet the Capital was on. It was because he didn’t feel loved or cared for by his parents and likely his uncle as well. Rey by showing that she cares about him and his emotional plight can be what it takes for Kylo to turn.

    In this scenario she is not caring for/about the evil Kylo Ren, but the person he was before he turned Ben Solo. For Kylo to become redeemed he needs to become Ben again. Just like Vader became Anakin again when turned on the Emperor and saved Luke.
     
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    Oh sure, I didn't mean to suggest reason has no place at all. The theme of duty vs love runs through the two former trilogies. In the PT they are divided and contrasted by way of Anakin and Padme, in the OT they are brought individually into reconciliation in Luke, "balancing" them through Luke's two students in the ST would be an organic conclusion. I just meant to say that, reason alone wouldn't be where the story wanted to flow. Love alone would work, but love working with reason would be, to my mind, a perfectly fitting thematic conclusion.

    There is, in fact, one specific theory still in my mind, and it plays out by way of love, interacting with a specific knowledge, that would resolve the series. A specific revelation of information that would immediately and radically alter Kylo's trajectory, as you put it. What that information is, I'm keeping to myself.
     
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    That was equally stupid.
     
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    Reylo...yeahhhh....naaoooootttttt gunna happen... From the horseys mouth

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    To justify Rey not being a Skywalker...Rey and Ben need to make a baby and use Skywalker surname.
    To save Luke from being pathetic uncle that tried to kill his nephew you need to show Luke having a vision of the future Ben killing Han and Killing Leia and seeing more death and destruction Darth Ren will biting when he resurrects the Sith. To save them Luke believed he had to end his nephew.

    Rey should be tied to someone in the past to make her origin satisfying within the context of SW Saga imo.
     
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    My girls aren’t into the ReyLo theories. My girls think that if Rey has to be “shipped” (I don’t think they care if she gets romantically involved or not) that it should be with Poe. I think the only thing they are basing that on is that they think Oscar Isaac is hot.
     
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    your girls have good taste! XD
     
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    Amen :)
     
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