JJ ABRAMS Misled fans for NO reason

TFA showed you who Rey and Finn were though. People were just speculating way too much.

Maybe JJ will show us the parents on screen in a flashback. But it's not really important.

 

Abrams is back on board for IX, so anything could happen.

 

Agree. JJ is such a hack director. I do think RJ changed Rey's background though.

 

who knows man, maybe they were. It certainly felt like they had something set up. Rian Johnson, like every plot thread set up, decided to ignore it and do his own thing. Not sure what JJ can do. Even if he comes back and is like "oooh thats not true, her actual parents are....", its gonna feel hollow. 2 movies wasted and over 5 years, who is really gonna care if he retcons it in IX.

 

Why would he tell you the story ahead of time? Why would he say they had last names or not? Honestly them not having last names gave an indication of being nobodies in hindsight.

No, he doesn't have to address it. But if he does then he does.

 

I loved TLJ- but the only thing that irked me a bit was how disconnected it felt from TFA. Nothing to do with my personal wants not being met- it just feels like they arent part of the same story sometimes, the way threads from TFA were disregarded at places. But, in others, things tied up quite nicely so its not all bad

 

Honestly this isn't surprising. Sometimes part of the mystery box is misdirection.

It could also be possible that the two directors had different visions for the story... Or it could be that Ren missinterpreted Reys mind/vision or whatever it was.

 

What Abrams has to do with Johnson's "work".

 

Reys surname was withheld because she was a no one. It was important for the audience to go on the journey with her and discover/accept these revelations with her. Only that way can we get a sense of what she is feeling. Had we all know she was a no one then we’d be waiting for her to find out rather than being on the journey with her. You could ask why they didn’t tell us Vader was Luke’s father (had that been planned in ANH). Rarely are things written just for a reveal - unless they’re cheap stories.

 

I tend to believe that JJ had an idea of Rey's lineage that Rian either changed our ignored. I remember something--sorry, I don't have the source for this--about JJ telling Daisy who Rey's parents were, and about Daisy being sort of surprised that people didn't already know after TFA.

 

Well regardless if JJ did or not, he's still in charge of Episode 9. I have a feeling everything will be answered then.

 

not everyone will like what im gonna say - to me it's like RJ and JJ are having fun with each other by leading the story to opposite directions

 

Here’s the thing that irks me. If the story was meant to be about a nobody, just tell us that from the get go. Don’t make it a mystery. Kylo could have ended the debate when he mind probed Rey in TFA. He could have saw her parents then. Or Rey could have admitted to Maz they were nobody.

So when they say the story all along was Rey was a random, they are full of it. They were leaving their options open and building hype to maintain interest. Simple as that.

I’m glad we are past that now, but the mystery was unnecessary.

 

Storytelling is all about subverting expectations. So there's a great reason to play against fan expectations that bloodline is important. The Last Jedi directly addresses these expectations by placing them squarely in the value systems of Snoke and Kylo.

 

The reason is because the are nobodies.

 

If she was a nobody all along, then we should have had her admit it to Maz or Kylo late in TFA. The Maz scene was the perfect scene to do it. I would have been rooting even harder for her knowing she’s the underdog and not someone with mighty Skywalker blood.

 

You just made me realize the story and dialogue of this movie is even more terrible than I thought. That whole dialogue with Kylo is just terrible writing, it's like they are talking to the audience, it implies that somehow Rey is speculating if her parents are anyone we know (same with the scene in the cave), why would Rey think her parents are anything but 2 nobodies from Jakku? Rey's issue in TFA was that she thought her family would come back for her when they weren't, she needed to accept that fact but in this movie we are led to believe that Rey expects to find out who her parents were when the only one trying to find out that is we the audience...

 

As far as I remember there was an original screenplay/outline by J.J and Kasden for Episode 8, but Rian asked to scrap it and write his own.

I loved this movie, but am also disappointed in how many elements of TFA were completed ignored or twisted (Luke throwing the saber, Snoke's death, Knights of Ren, Rey and her Force Vision etc...)