JJ Abrams Says Ep 8 Haters May Be Threatened By Women

Can we not deny this? Genuine question? I mean I’ve spent quite a lot of time reading what people did and didn’t like about this film and I don’t think I’ve read anything either on this forum or else where having issues with the fact Finns Black and Reys a Woman.

I’m sure thier are few racists sexist idiots( I would use a stronger word but this is a family forum) but does it really count any sort of significant part of the people who didn’t like the film?

I mean The Force Awakens had a Woman and Black person in The lead, Rogue Ones two leads were a Woman and a Hispanic actor. And while both films had thier ditractors none have had such a strong mixed reaction.

Look I know we live in a horrible world full of horrible people but not every issues going is about sexism or racism!

Sometimes some people like a film and other people don’t!

 

It isn't completely instant. For all you know she had practiced and read about such things. She is definitely in tune with the force and lets it flow and doesn't even think about it. Just believes. She would've been Yoda's apprentice dream.

For all you know Luke could've practiced pull a lightsaber from the snow all along. But he did a few instant things too. For a person who never flew an xwing in his life to out flying and maneuvering Darth Vader the best pilot around to making the first shot dead on to destroy the deathstar.

Rey is simply like Anakin. A natural born force user.

 

I'm sorry, but this is a huge reach. "For all you know..." If we go by what played out on screen, we already know that she has not practiced or read about the force. It "awakened" in her during TFA and she just learned a little bit about it. There is no time jump between TFA and the TLJ so we know that she felt this force rising in her and went to Luke for help and guidance. There is absolutely nothing to suggest that she was practicing anything. Now Luke, he very well could have been doing something more with the force during the time between ANH and TESB, so I can see that being a possibility. Rey and Anakin are alike in the way of being a natural born force user, and that's where the similarities end.

 

Some times it seems that some of these hollywood personalities want Political Correctness from everyone except themselves.

 

The similarities are quite on the nose. Luke did several things with no training.

 

To you maybe, I don't see it that way. Agree to disagree on that subject!

 

His comments seem like they are exactly said for clickbait. RJ, Disney and now JJ have been defending this movie since opening week and it’s a different narrative each time targeted at a specific audience.

First they went after the crowd who had ‘their story of Luke’ in mind saying they didn’t like the movie because it didn’t jive with the way they wanted it to go.

Then they went after the ‘plothole’ crowd who had a problem with Leia flying, the use of light speed, etc.

Then they went after the ‘TLJ disregarded TFA plot points crowd,’ saying they got too obsessed with Snoke, Rey’s parents, Rey’s Force abilities.

Now they are going after the crowd that is supposedly threatened by strong women in TLJ.

This has been all ‘clickbait’ by Disney from day 1 to turn it around on the fans for not liking TLJ. As I said, I have no problem towards anyone who loves the movie but it’s insulting that fans like me have gotten called out since December 15 and analyzed every different way to justify why we are biased.

 

JJ is full of it. That quote is simply the company status quo to deflect and deny any backlash about the film. Sure, they may have people who didn't like the idea of women being in prominent roles (that's another story for me), but read in between the lines; they aren't changing their approach at all in terms of the audience. Good luck, LFL.

 

Great post! me too, Maybe JJ is responding to some specific abuse from some people that i don't know about. but i strongly resent any kind of implication of grouping the vast majority of the people who didn't like or had issues with a few backwards *****!

 

Yeah there's a big difference between the title:
"J.J. Abrams: ‘Star Wars’ Fans Who Didn’t Like ‘Last Jedi’ Are ‘Threatened’ By Women — Exclusive"
and his words:
“If you are someone who feels threatened by women and needs to lash out against them, you can probably find an enemy in ‘Star Wars.’

It's more than clickbait too - it's a trap!
Anyone who gets their panties in a twist about his comments obviously hasn't bother to read the source material or feels threatened by people calling out real sexism.

Unprovoked? If some guy blasted the roof off your bedroom you'd probably pick up your weapon too!

They are two different characters and what happens to one doesn't render anything different impossible for another.
Luke's moods varied and when he was down he could be pessimistic and struggle with self belief.
Rey's particular blend of street smarts and naivety results in a lot of self-belief.
Once she learns that the stories she's heard are not myths she doesn't hesitate [to use The Force with self-belief. It's part of why she is so powerful.] edit.

 

Those who point the finger tend to have three fingers pointing back

 

I don't "hate" the new sequel trilogy. Also I have no problem with the women cast. I do have problems in story development and overall arc.

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I also don't think people complaining are sexist female haters. They complain about execution as seen in these examples (which are not mine do not flame me thx):





I don't necessarily agree with everything in those above. That said, it is not "women hatred" people are complaining about, it is the consideration that Rey is absurdly OP.

(Note I do not necessarily agree with her being OP. I do agree she learns abnormally fast and with little to no guidance)

 

top and bottom of it all is that the writings are weak. No thought or consideration. It's lazy because the set up had potential. I am not a fan of RJ but he made a beautiful visual film. It's the writings that let him down.

 

You campare Rey to Anakin, that's fine, but did we see Anakin doing a Jedi mind trick when we first encounter him? Even natural born superheroes had a kind of training before they started doing heroics. It is funny, even at video games you don't start at level 10 and need to progress slowly.

 

To be fair Annakin was a pod racer at nine flew a ship into the enemies base and took down the shields AND still pulled a fourteen year old lassy despite having hunky young obi wan for competition. It's as equally daft LMAO.

 

He answered the question. He answered the question like I would have answered the question.

There aren't any plot holes. People may not like the Leia visual, but there's nothing about the moment that breaks previous Star Wars lore.

This is simple conspiracy theory nonsense. The film is a critic, fan, and financial hit. There's no damage control here and it would be pointless. 85-90% of people who saw the film liked it. Everything else is just internet noise.

ob·jec·tive·ly
əbˈjektivlē,äbˈjektivlē/
adverb

1. in a way that is not influenced by personal feelings or opinions.

Objectively, your use of the word objectively is incorrect.

 

Here is the funny thing. We're talking movies here. On the literary(books) side, having a Mary Sue is a problem because it is a direct distillation of the needs and wants of the writer to be part of the story, and as such an unrealistic depiction of events.

On the CINEMATIC side? Mary Sue's(male or female) are the core of populist(as in, it makes lots of $$) filmmaking because it allows the viewer to put themselves in the story and be entertained, and is a core tenet of the craft. What doesn't really work that well in books is a key part of movies.

The most obvious example of this being STAR WARS(1977). Luke was a farmboy that ended up blowing up the Death Star, all in a nice 2hr 15 minute package that kids could watch over and over, imagining themselves in that role. If you have a problem with TFA, you should also have a problem with The Granddaddy of them all.

But hell.. you could say the same thing about Avatar, The Matrix, Armageddon, any number of films that take Po-dunk, downtrodden characters and have them saving the world, family, whatever... all in a 2 hour running time with only the flimsiest of reasoning holding the whole thing together.

THIS IS HOLLYWOOD.

Next Mary Sue? Wade Watts in READY PLAYER ONE next month.

 

to be fair, people have long since pointed out how silly everything you mentioned is. Its not like people celebrated all that junk, but suddenly pointed out how ridiculous rey is.

 

SOME people didn't like it. Most people who saw it rated it 8/10 or higher. I can't understand why those of you who didn't like it try so hard to convince yourselves that most people didn't like it, or why you need to believe your backlash is intense.