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JJ Abrams to write and direct Episode IX

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Casper11, Sep 12, 2017.

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    I don't know if there was a scheduling issue or what but Abrams's name was removed from Corden's schedule as seen on the interbridge.com website and on Corden's page.

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    Sooo, after seeing Jurassic World: Fallen Kingdom, is anybody still sad that Trevorrow got fired?
     
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    Well... Haven't seen it yet, but the trailers made me feel like we dodged a bullet. (Sorry for being blunt...! :p) I know he only wrote the sequel, but... that's the problem. From what I've heard the story isn't good.
     
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    Well, my reaction while watching it was "it's boring" and "I've seen this before". It has almost 0 character development, rehashes scenes and ideas from previous movies and it has a stupid message, that goes against the main idea of the franchise. Based on the (forced) ending, the next part might be interesting, but, after seeing the last two, I doubt it.
    Really, this is why Star Wars needs people like Rian Johnson. If a franchise doesn't try new things and go against expectations, it becomes stale and starts to rot. So, hopefuly JJ doesn't just remake Return of the Jedi and/or retcon Snoke's death and Rey's parents. We need Star Wars to go forward, not in circles.
     
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    Ditto. I kind of see J.J. going both ways... Rehashing was his greatest criticism for TFA, so as a filmmaker he should feel obliged to prove he's not all about nostalgia and mystery boxes. On the other hand, though... it might be tempting to cater to the crowd displeased with TLJ and be safe once again. I hope the latter won't happen.
     
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    i think what Rian did was trying new things for the sake of it and not because of story development...but a part of keeping with the old times is to make sure that there is a reminder for new and old fans for retention purposes.
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    I disagree. TLJ is very well thought out and almost everything (including Canto Bight) serves a purpose in main characters' story arcs, as well as with movie's themes. Things done for the sake of it are TFA's "mystery boxes" and R1's easter eggs and references.
     
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    It'd be the ultimate irony if those that hated the TLJ loves 9, but the people that loved TLJ hates 9.:p
     
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    Agreed 100%. I think TFA totally outweighs TLJ when in comes to things put there for the sake of it. It's just easier to make an argument that "there were plans for it." I don't think there were. Maybe some very loose ideas in J.J's head, but back then everybody knew he wasn't going to be involved in VIII and IX, so it didn't really matter. People can be critical of the fact that there wasn't a clear outline of the whole trilogy since the beginning, I guess that's fair. Personally, I don't have a problem with having no outline, because if the filmmakers follow the story logically (they should be capable of doing that) the story will flow naturally. I think it does right now, Rian absolutely did put a lot of attention to what was going on in TFA. Arguably more than J.J. in certain aspects. ;) And for the record - I really like TFA.

    Let's keep in mind that Rian inherited a lot of stuff from J.J. I think that Snoke was a problem he had to deal with. I mean, it didn't seem to go anywhere but Emperor 2.0 kind of thing, so it was clever to use Snoke for the purpose of Kylo's development and end him now.

    Another thing: If you don't like Luke's mindset in TLJ - I say blame J.J. It's him who said "Luke Skywalker vanished." He put him on a remote island and what Rian did was come up with a powerful enough reason for it to make sense. A reason why Luke didn't help Resistance earlier, why he didn't sense his sister's struggles. And I think that what we ended up with makes a very powerful and interesting arc. The Abrams-Johnson relay works.

    I was really looking forward to seeing Knights of Ren in TLJ, I was hyped for them for a loooong time. Am I bummed? Kind of. There's a lot of things I expected from TLJ that I didn't get, but I recognise that there was no room for it in this story and that's fine, because everything makes total sense the way it is.

    IMO, of course.
     
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    Rey and Finn being their own characters will be a plus.
     
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    Of course it would. Because people, who hate TLJ, keep saying that they "don't care about the franchise anymore".
     
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    How are things in the movie thought out? Watch this: https://www.ted.com/talks/j_j_abrams_mystery_box

    it will help you to understand about the true meaning of the mystery box from JJ. He doesn't do it for no reason. TLJ, in my opinion, really butchered the fundamentals of the saga. I'm not saying it's the worst movie in the world by any means, but it just didnt work out.
     
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    Almost everything that happens int TLJ is designed to futher the development of the main characters. Cow milking, horse rescuing, Rey's vision etc.

    So, he is fascinated by this idea, that has potential for limitless imagination. Ok. Remember that at the time of TFA's writing JJ wasn't supposed to make Ep.IX, so whatever was inside those mystery boxes - he wasn't the one to open them. So, JJ inserted those boxes because those boxes themselves are the best way to tell a story, thus he put them for their own sake.

    Which fundamentals exactly did he "butcher"?
     
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    I really hope 9 isn't just loaded with mystery boxes.
    It's my biggest fear with Abrams. He never ENDS things.
     
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    But mystery boxes work very well in story telling. It's actually one of the problems TLJ had, it answered many questions but posed none. The spectator's excitement is not as enhanced as it was after TFA because of this lack of mystery.
     
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    You are right, but the problem is that the answers have to be delivered at some point and whatever those answers might be, it's almost never as good as the ideas you have in your head (or whatever comes up during group theorizing). So, in the beginning you are going to be hooked, and at the end - disappointed. Rian Johnson probably understood this, so he just threw out all of the "mysteries" and replaced them with something that actually has meaning and substance.
     
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    Except this is the ending of the trilogy, not the beginning.
     
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    Rian sure opened a lot of the mystery boxes, but I kinda wish that he had left one or two, since it's the middle chapter of the saga.
    Imho the ending of TLJ should have had a cliffhanger like ESB to keep us fans going crazy 'til the next episode.
    What we got now was more of a conclusion to a tv show that might not be renewed.
    The rebels were decimated but there's still hope in the galaxy - hello, Broom boy!

    Of course, I wouldn't post here if I weren't excited for EPIX, but it feels like that movie is gonna be a soft reboot, or something.
     
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    Star Wars was never this complex, it's not Lost or Westworld. It always had clearly good guys fighting clearly bad ones and the bad guys are going to be defeated. This whole "mystery" business is something new and exclusive to TFA only, even though people seem to get so used to it in two years, like it's been there forever.
    Also, these whole "mysteries" were never about what's going to happen, because everybody "knew" what was going to happen. No, the "mysteries" came from the fact, that almost nobody had any actual backstories. The only character we knew everything about was Finn. And, while I do enjoy learning more about the characters through books and comics, I still prefer RJ's approach... And I forgot where I was going with this :confused:
    Anyway, the things to look forward to are going to be in the trailers, and until then - we have the Resistance cartoon to look forward to.
     
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