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JJ Abrams to write and direct Episode IX

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker' started by Casper11, Sep 12, 2017.

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    Yeah, that’s what I understood as well. I was also pointing out it’s the first time I hear JJ somewhat confirming what RJ was saying about being given complete freedom storywise in TLJ. It kind of confirms my suspicion that every author is doing their own thing and creating the general structure of the trilogy as they go along, something a consider interesting and not a bad thing.
     
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    This is somewhat how life works. Very few of us (if any) have a completely preplanned and structured life. Mostly it ist written as we go. We only know that we will start and we will end. anything in between is more or less flexible. For some it's boring, for some way too interesting. And probably the humor is never fitting well.
     
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    About the structure of the ST not being all pre-planned, I think it's ok, I mean, even George in the OT and PT, I suspect he didn't have it all figured out in his head for all of the 6 films. He sure had an idea and a vision of where he wanted to go, especially when he did the PT where things were more or less established in terms of where it ends, but I think he went along and defined the thing as he went.

    The thing is that George Lucas was always behind the story, along with Kasdan in the OT and more or less by himself on the full PT. The difference in the ST is that there are different story tellers. Well, at least TLJ had a different one, and nobody story-wise was there from TFA . Although that is an almost sure way to keep things fresh and surprising (which TLJ was), it also can create somewhat of a disconnect between the movies, which ended up happening to some degree.

    If you ask me I'd prefer that a trilogy, of any kind, would always have at least one main writer, if not all, involved in the production of all the three films. They don't have to be directors, but it helps. So, it would have been better, in my view, if JJ and/or Kasdan were part of the TLJ team, along with, supporting or just be consultants for Rian if need be. I believe that would have created an even better movie overall, taking into account the technical aspects and also the overall reception by the fans. So, I was happy to see JJ return in IX, to finish what he started.

    In all, I'm content with the ST but I'm not enthusiastic about it and I hoped TLJ would have had more continuity, the same tone, humor style and be more consistent with TFA in general. My critique of TFA was that it played it too safe, so I was hoping to see something different and more bold in TLJ. I think we got that, but the consistency with TFA and with the overall SW saga in a sense was not fully there, in my view. I guess having a different writer and director in TLJ was the price to pay for having something different. For IX, I hope we get something more consistent with TFA, with the SW universe in the general sense, that is capable of surprising us and give us something different.

    I think Disney and LF realized they needed more continuity, to have the same writers involved in making the next trilogies, so you have Rian involved in the entire arc for his new trilogy and David Benioff and D.B. Weiss at the helm of the other new trilogy. In my opinion all have to gain by making Star Wars movies that feel like they are part of the same universe as the others (especially inside a trilogy), with a consistent humor style, tone, etc, and that at the same time manage to offer a different story from its predecessors, that can surprise and thrill us, and I'm positive JJ can offer that with IX, where he has a chance to at least tie-up the ST, since he and Kasdan have started it after all.
     
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    On the topic of the ST not being all pre-planned:

    The OT wasn't all pre-planned. You don't have to completely pre-plan three movies to make three good movies.

    I've got plenty of gripes with Lucasfilm, but this certainly isn't one of them. I'll leave this kind of hate to the FB and YT comment sections.
     
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    I think both JJ and Rian collaborated, they don't contradict each other. They are different filmmakers, Empire was very different than how George probably would of done it, but it didn't contradict anything that George had laid out. Rian was always going to do a movie that looked and felt different than JJ's. I don't think what he did with Luke went against anything JJ established or that George had established. Luke was very close to turning to the dark side, he was very conflicted right up until the end. That conflict carrying on into the new trilogy, his fears of failure, they shape who he is.

    I think Kylo's conflict is the flipside of Luke's, he WANTS to be a darksider, but he keeps getting pulled back to the light by the empathy others have showed for him, long after he's betrayed them. He really wants to be Vader, Luke did everything he could to NOT be Vader. Rey is the one on the path to a new understanding of the the Force and the light side. She wants to do what is right, her fears are about excepting what her past really was, the reality of it, but now she has clarity, a purpose. She's the anti-sith/darksider... she isn't tempted, she's not shackled by Jedi order constraints and fear. She's voraciously embracing her connection with the force. And I have no issues with her becoming the most powerful Jedi we've seen yet. I think Kylo will come to question is pursuit of the dark side because he will continue to be weaker than Rey because of it... where all along he thought it would make him the most powerful.

    I see lots of interesting directions these characters can go in. They've already gone in unexpected directions. I'm up for it all.
     
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    J. J. Abrams: "You're right [to have your mind set bonkers like with questions about 'Who is the Skywalker'? 'Is Rey a Skywalker?']. Well the title [Star Wars: The Rise of Skywalker] feels like it's the right title for this movie and I know it's provocative and asks a bunch of questions. But I think when you see the movie you'll see how it's intended and what it means but in the flow of titles this movie had a very weird responsibility - it had to be the end of not just three movies but nine movies - and the idea of having to incorporate the stories that have come before strangely is the story of the movie [itself] which is to say that it is the characters in the film inheriting everything that has come before in previous generations whether it's sins of the father, whether it's the wisdom they've acquired, and the question is can this new generation - are they up to the task? Can they stand up to what they have to and so in a way I feel like we coming into this movie have interited a lot and the question is can we do it? It's a question we ask ourselves every day." "I look forward for people to see the movie so they can see what happens [about undoing Rey's parentage reveal moment from Star Wars: The Last Jedi]."
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    Hummm..."ep.Ix will honor ep.VIII..."

    Rey will continue as a nobody?
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    Hummm..."ep.Ix will honor ep.VIII..."

    Rey will continue as a nobody?
     
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    But “there’s more to the story than that...” ;)
     
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    I didnt like The Last Jedi and i dont like Rian Johnson. But i can to a certain degree respect JJ Abrams and believe that he definitly, unlike Johnson, respect Star Wars. Force Awakens wasnt a perfect movie and its certainly not the best SW-movie but despite its problems i think it was decent enough as the first chapter in this new trilogy. Sure, it reminded me a lot about A New Hope and made some choices that was wrong but, once again, it was the first chapter and had a lot of good stuff so i could accept it. Hopefully Abrams can make us forget about the TLJ-abomination once and for all.
     
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    If she remains a nobody but takes the Skywalker name then JJ honors what RJ did in TLJ and also fits with his there is more to the story
     
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    Helped finish? They talked to him before they started to write the script. Clickbait--title.
     
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    I need to say this... Why does everyone accept what Kylo says is the truth or accurate? There is a HISTORY of MISDIRECTION and half-truths in the OT. Try this as a scenario; Rian's scene with Kylo and Rey where he's trying to get her to join him, was him manipulating her... but her saying they were nobodies is her PROTECTING THEM. It was all misdirection. I have a sneaking suspicion that in some way Rey has been protecting them but in the way a child would, pretend you don't know who they are, or where they went.

    The answer... the FULL answer was always going to be revealed in the final movie, that it was settled in the second movie doesn't even make sense. Could it still be the case? Sure. But acting like J Jwill be going against what Rian showed, if it turns out to be misdirection, is silly. They both know the real answer and they did collaborate. It wasn't even an important factor in TLJ. It can always be accounted for with "a certain point of view".

    I mean Maz asks "Han, who is she..." and they cut away. They do that to build the mystery. There's so many touches like that, the mystery isn't they're "nobodies" but who they were or are. It matters to Rey despite her saying they're nobodies.
     
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    J. J. Abrams: "There had been ideas that we've had since we started working on [Episode] VII, there are ideas that George [Lucas] had when he began working on Episode IV, we met with George before we started writing the script [for Episode IX], this was a long process but I feel like at the end of the day the goal is to create something that gives a sense of surprise and thrill and heartbreak." (April 12, 2019)

    J. J. Abrams: "Well we knew this was the ending so this is not...we're not trying to play games and this is very much about bringing the story to a conclusion so I hope [you get all the answers you need in the movie]." (April 12, 2019)
     
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    The thing is Rey is the one who states they are no one. Kylo could very well be lying about them being drunks who sold her off for drinking money. I think he was trying to make her seem even mor insignificant in order to draw her to his side. Even though Kylo May have lied about that it does not take away from the fact that she is the one who admitted her parents were nobody
     
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    Like I said, that could be misdirection. She could be telling him what he wanted to hear. She's always been guarded about her "family". No details. Even If she were a nobody, she'd have more to share than Luke or Leia's memories "she was very beautiful". She was young, but she could tell you why she was left, what her parents were like, did she have siblings? Pets? What planet was she born on? If they " are buried in pauper's graves on Jakku" why were they flying off in a starship? She wouldn't be "waiting" for them if she knew they were dead.

    I think this has all been purposely vague and clouded for a reason. If she was just a "nobody", she could of shared her mundane story, moisture farmers... they owned a bar and fell into debt, they were killed by bounty hunters, died in a sandstorm... they could of ended all of the conjecture with just a simple story. But that's not what happened. We got the Rey cave sequence that basically told us nothing other than she needs to move on. It was practically the opposite of the Mirror of Erised in Harry Potter.

    Just saying... it isn't settled, and I'm not sure why anyone would say it is.
     
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    Keep in mind that Rey said that through her fear of it being the truth, not necessarily some true belief in it. After all, fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering.
     
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    Whole lotta this going on in the thread right now

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    Well, we're back, spinning in a circular motion again... is she a nobody, is she a Skywalker, will she adopt the Skywalker name? I hate RJ, what he did...,
    spinning, until... (epic fail).

    BTW, I love RJ, thank you DUDE...
     
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