JJ presents OT heroes like loosers, here is why:

It's an ongoing story... that's how it works. Why would all the answers be given in chapter one? That's at the very core of how Star Wars storytelling is done. Should we have known the entire Skywalker story in A New Hope? We explore and discover over time.

I can't speak to Prometheus. I haven't seen it. I also can't speak to anyone's personal satisfaction of these new Star Wars movies. But if the complaint is that characters and stories develop over time and not all at once, then I can't get on board with that. It's certainly not character assassination.

 

Then we have to agree to disagree... Because I'm not okay with an incomplete movie...

Its like a movie that doesn't make sense to an audience, but its explained in a book. I dont like that. Thats just me. I want a beginning, a middle, and an end with every movie. The whole Harry Potter Deathly Hollows Part 1+2 blueprint doesn't work well with me for Star Wars. ANH, ESB, and ROTJ were all their own unique individual movies where all the questions asked themselves were answered.

It was like the Grevious coughing thing.. I was like, why is he coughing, it doesnt make sense - but then had to find out that was explained in a cartoon. Well, I didnt see the cartoon, so I didn't like it.

I'm not saying every little piece of device needs to be explained to the audience on how it works, what it does - but what I am saying is that when it comes to who this character is, I would like that information so I can follow his story arc better. In Return of the Jedi, we as the audience are told that the Sith are dead. Gone, bye bye. Then all of a sudden another Sith shows up 30 years later....Isn't it just KIND OF important to at least give us a hint on where he came from, because what it does is totally contradict the last film. I'm okay with Ben Solo going bad, but can you give us a little more than just 'Snoke did it !!'. Well, okay - whos Snoke ? Its the same thing as just saying because 'A Wizard did it'.

I just don't like a movie where it doesn't feel like it should have ended. Like in ANH, perfect ending... Empire, amazing ending, Heroes finally escaped, got away and Luke repaired his hand - the scene said we lost, but we lived to fight another day - it was amazing...ROTJ, bingo, big celebration, Empire is dead...... The end of TFA - I was like "Thats it ??? Wait, what ?? Why did Luke go there ? Whos Rey's parents ? Wait , wait, they didn't explain who Snoke was!". I mean, ONE question is okay to leave to the next installment. Its okay to say well, lets save this one thing for the next one, like if there is a superhero movie, lets say like Spider-Man and he just went through this amazing battle against Green Goblin and he got to save Mary Jane and all is well, but then like at the last scene Eddie Brock becomes Venom. Well, the one question is omg, whats going to happen when Brock meets the Symbiote. That one thing is left for the next film - I'm okay with that. But to leave the audience in the dark with these KEY elements such as:
-Why did Luke leave ?
-Who is Snoke ?
-Who is Rey's parents ?
Of those three HUGE giant questions, AT LEAST two of them should have been mentioned to wrap the film up nicely. I dont mind leaving the Luke thing a mystery - I would be okay with that, but when you introduce a character like Snoke and give us nothing. You see, as an audience, Luke disappearing is a mystery we can accept. But Snoke's backstory really doesn't have to be a mystery. There is a reason Luke's thing could be left as a mystery, but the backstory of a new important central character does not have to be a mystery. Leaving it for the next director comes across as lazy, not as anticipation for me. Thats just me though. These are new characters, the audience is interested in knowing who they are. Finn's backstory is clearly explained and no one has an issue with that. But Rey and Snoke are two extremely important characters , yet their backstory has to be saved for some reason for the next films ? And who even says there will be a definite answer or one that the audience will buy ? Hollywood sequels are known to disappoint. Star Wars is no exception.

 

When I see people saying that all the OT movies were complete movies, I always ask them this: Empire Strikes Back. The widely accepted diamond of the OT and all the SW saga till now, is an incomplete story. It ends in a cliffhanger with Han's fate hanging, the revelation of Darth Vader and Luke was left hanging and having gone nowhere, the romance between Han and Leia reached a climax but not a conclusion... I could go on.

Empire Strikes Back is the quintessential "sequel bait" of the OT, but no one thinks about it like this. It's also a sequel itself. The answer as to why is simple: we already know how things went on, because we have all the chapters of the book. Remember, after Star Wars, there was never meant to be another movie, hence why Star Wars felt like a complete movie and Empire Strikes Back had a cliffhanger of an ending: they didn't plan this to be a series in ANH. They did plan this to be a series in ESB.

The ST was created as a series in the first place. We simply have the first of the three. We know we're getting the other two. What is happening here is a curiosity that screams to be satisfied. Since when waiting for this satisfaction makes the first ST movie a bad movie, or the OT characters like lesser people? You judge the forest having seen the first row of trees.

 

What must fans of the time (I was only 4, so I wasn't having these conversations yet) have been saying about the character assassinations that occurred in ESB? Today, we see that movie as essential in the formation of the characters we know and love. Thirty years after the events of ROTJ, our heroes are in very different places. Lots must have happened, and we will find out. Just not all at once. The discovery is part of the journey.

 

I'm gonna definitely suggest that some of you don't watch Lost...

 

To late, already watched.

 

I "Lost" interest in Lost after 5 episodes.... Zzzzz

 

to address this, i think until Han actually saw his son on Takodana, he was just avoiding the problem because of his own pain. we don't know yet how Han found out about Ben going over to the Dark side or whether he tried to do anything about it at the time. we only know the two have not likely seen one another since before Ben turned.

it seems like Han didn't want to deal with it because he was too upset: blamed himself (no doubt), felt helpless, seems he's also angry at his best buddy Luke, too ashamed to face Leia (they subsequently became estranged after what had seemed like a very happy marriage for 20+ years).

the beauty of Han's arc is that he wants so hard to give up on Ben (it seems an insurmountable problem), but in that last moment he's determined to bring him home--to be the father he maybe should have been and wasn't--and he gives up his life trying.

 

I'm so sick of clickbait.

 

Characters having emotional depth that caused them to make choices even bad ones is consistent with human nature and fantastic literature.

The state of the OT heroes having lost so much I suggest should help you feel the devastation of events that are prologue to the film. Most specific Ben Solo. Why is Leia still a general working for a little funded resistance instead of running the New Republic? Because she sees the danger of the 1st Order and Snoke. Clearly the Republic felt the 1st Order was not as great a threat or else their fleet would not be lumped in a single location where it could be destroyed by an attack they did not think possible.

Han and Leia split over grief. Grief of that betrayal. Leia wanted to fight and get revenge on Snoke. Han saw his son as gone, if Luke couldn't save him how was Han going to do it. Hence when Maz was asked for help she refused. No Han go home help your wife stand against the bad guys. He was pulled from his grief and attempts to save his son.

Luke is still a mystery. Why stay away so long? My guess we will learn.

 

This is an incredibly good point, especially after seeing Rogue One, where the nascent Rebellion had cruisers. Where the heck were the cruisers to back up and assist in the attack on Starkiller Base?