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John Boyega Joins Black Lives Matter Protest

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    I’ve seldom felt this proud to be a Star Wars fan.











     
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    I admire his passion!
     
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    We are with you, John.
     
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    Star Wars director JJ Abrams says he'll be "begging" to work with John Boyega after Black Lives Matter speech

    Boyega told protesters in London he'd risk his career for the cause. Director JJ Abrams has responded to John Boyega's vow that he will risk his career to support the Black Lives Matter movement.

    https://www.digitalspy.com/movies/a32770637/star-wars-jj-abrams-praises-john-boyega-protest/

    and what's even more important:



    https://io9.gizmodo.com/lucasfilm-expresses-solidarity-with-john-boyega-in-wake-1843905053
     
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    Abrams is a badass.

    Whatever film Boyega and Abrams make. I'm paying for it on principle!

    Cheers,
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    I'm glad he's getting involved and speaking his mind (I myself am on the protester's side in this) but I don't get where he says it would be bad for his career. I'm sure there probably has been some that I haven't heard of but I haven't personally heard anybody in the entertainment industry speak out against this movement but everybody from The Rock to Taylor Swift in support of it. Was he concerned about dropping the F Bomb?
     
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    I think he was more concerned about the good old boys behind the scenes in Hollywood that tend to pull a lot of the strings.
     
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    I hate to be stereotypical (however I can only count openly conservative celebrities using less than all 10 fingers) but isn't Hollywood pretty liberal? Whatever conservatives might be pulling the strings behind the scenes (and I'm sure there are some, usually are around large sums of money) they thankfully seem powerless to stop entertainers from having a different philosophy. If they do have a serious problem with liberals it seems to be less of a concern than making money. Probably because they'd have to fire most of their work force and next Summer's big movie would be a buddy cop film directed by Clint Eastwood starring Chuck Norris and Ted Nugent.
     
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    The fear is valid because when you're a celebrity, it's really unclear and murky as to what you jump into and say publicly is going to do.
    One day you could say something and it just launches you in a positive way.
    On a different day you could say the same thing and bury your career.

    It's really whimsical and fickle because it's up to the whim of impression and public opinion.

    If the studios think you're too hot to touch because of some perceived backlash of public opinion, then you can watch your career go *poof* real fast.

    For example, and rightly so, look at how fast Kevin Spacey went from being on top of the industry to absolutely shunned out.
    Now, obviously Kevin Spacey is in the wrong as all hell, and he absolutely should be shunned from production.

    However, the point is valid because, for example, look at what happened to Ellen DeGeneres.
    She came out about being homosexual, and she watched her entire career just suddenly stop, and everything she was doing was subsequently, for varying excuses, shut down.

    She had to spend a bit over a decade scratching by until she landed a weird option to do a talk show, and went viral and clawed her way back up.
    THAT doesn't usually happen. When people open up about their personal opinions, and it goes wrong, in Hollywood - goodbye; it's over.
    Because even if you manage to recover your reputation in the industry as being investment trustworthy, by the time that happens, your value will have dropped radically from what it was before. Almost to a point that it's not worth doing (it's HARD to be on the B level circuit...like HARD as f###).

    Boyega is in the moment.
    He doesn't know which way the whim of public impression by Hollywood is going to go.
    It's scary. He could be throwing his entire career down the toilet by jumping into a protest directly and voicing his ideas as an activist.

    Believe it or not, Hollywood isn't all that liberal in the boardrooms.
    It's MONETARIAN 100% of the time.

    If the boardroom perceives that something won't work because of the public, then it ain't happening.
    If the boardroom perceives that something will work because of the public, then it's happening.

    The so called "liberal" ideals tend to be easy to sell because they're the least offensive, since they're inclusive more often than not.
    That works for business!

    However, don't forget there's still a ton of macho, hard right philosophy films being pumped out every year because Hollywood IS NOT LIBERAL.
    There are liberals in Hollywood, and I'd wager the ratio is probably more liberal ARTISTS than conservative (don't forget people like CLINT EASTWOOD are very anti-liberal!), but when you get into the "brass room"....yyyyyeah....no. The actual monetary engine isn't liberal. It's Monetarian, and they'll play any side that makes a buck - usually both at once.

    So, his fear is TOTALLY reasonable, and that must have been absolutely nerve wracking for him to do when he was deciding whether to do it at that moment when he was standing there.

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    I didn't watch Abrams latest series, it's not like I would watch *everything* just because to be honest. But it was a bold move and I hope they will team up and make a movie together.
     
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    What does Kevin Spacey have to do with anything? His career went downhill because of sexual misconduct/abuse allegations. Sorry but I stopped there.
     
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    It means, one action, can completely derail a career. If you had continued on you'd see his Ellen comparison as well.
    Any time you take an openly political stance and you have a public image you are risking your work. Period.
     
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    Pretty much what @RoyleRancor said.

    Kevin Spacey was just to show the speed at which a career can stop. That's all.
    Ellen is the example of speaking out, and then there's more on why, and how Hollywood isn't actually liberal.

    I would encourage you to finish reading, because...well...not reading works really well for not understanding something we're reading that's confusing.

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    Well I stopped reading because your example was pretty bad in my opinion and if that was what you were opening with I didn't see it getting much better. Plus yesterday was my birthday and I didn't really feel like spending it debating people over something we're essentially on the same side on. There's a HUGE difference between sexual abuse allegations and going to a protest for a widely popular movement. Spacey essentially found himself on the wrong side of another popular movement in MeToo and the allegations against him can't even be compared to going to a protest. I'm aware actions can derail a career but they aren't in the same ocean much less boat. The dangerous/stupid thing to do (FOX "News" would probably say "brave") would be for a celebrity to oppose BLM. Look at Drew Brees, his comments went over like a lead balloon with celebrities, athletes and even Saints fans. He did a quick turnaround but I don't buy it, I think he's completely full of it. But that's the power of BLM right now. Even hypocrites like Olivia Jade and Jeff Bezos are trying to get in on the love. It is, thankfully and surprisingly, the popular thing to support right now. Every website I go to goes out of their way to tell you they support it. It's great. Which is why I don't think JJ is a "badass" anymore than you, I or Bezos. Boyega I respect more, for his passion and the fact that he actually went out to a protest and got involved but I don't think he really deserves to be on a higher pedestal than the non-celebrity protesters. They are more likely to lose their jobs over something like this because their punishment won't be in the public eye and nobody really cares about them. Celebrities have gotten into hot water in the past for protests but every one I can think of was an unpopular cause. This is not. Boyega would have to be singled out from a VAST sea of celebrities for punishment by these Hollywood Good Old Boys. But then The Rock will just go eat them so it's cool. Boyega will be fine but it's not about him or JJ.
     
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    I think you should go back and read on.
    Again, the point wasn't about the conduct. The point of that example was the speed at which things can flip for someone.
    For conduct as an example, I used Ellen DeGeneres. Again, you really should bother to read the rest before drawing a conclusion about what I'm conveying about Boyega being concerned. It was valid for him to be concerned from where he sits. Celebrity activism can blow up in your face, and has in the past.

    If you're truly hung up on that, then I'll use a different example for speed, look at the Dixie Chicks.
    They spoke their mind against Bush, and subsequently were boycotted by a ton of radio stations.
    They went from 10 in the top 100 to 43 in one week, which is a massive downward slide in music, especially for a group who was hot at the moment and whose songs were at the top of demand by their genre and demographic market.

    It evaporated. 76% of their fans were of the opinion that they wished they could un-buy their CDs, and there were demonstrations by fans throwing CDs into piles for a tractor to run over.
    DJ's were fired for playing their music, the Red Cross refused a 1 million dollar partnership with them.
    Their next album fared well with pop charts, but tanked with country sales, and the touring for that album had to be adjusted and several shows cancelled in strong country music locals because of poor sales.

    Their sponsor did keep them, but they radically adjusted their sponsorship to shift around the problems and pulled support of certain terms and conditions in exchange for different terms and conditions, which effected their propagation during that time.

    Following all of this, the band basically went silent and disappeared around 2008 through 2014. Basically, it became too hard to push forward, so they went on hiatus and focused on their personal lives for a while until things cooled down and they could try to come back.
    However, coming back never granted them the same level of success they had at the height of their popularity when they made their political comment.

    And what did they say that deserved all of this?

    "Just so you know, we're on the good side with y'all. We do not want this war, this violence, and we're ashamed that the President of the United States is from Texas."

    That's it. They didn't do anything sexual, they didn't say anything racist, bigoted, or derogatory.
    They simply spoke their mind in a politically activist manner, voicing their opinion and position on where they stood in regards to the government's use of power and its relationship with the people. The "Y'all" they spoke to were Londoners, whom were mostly part of the general world's population of opinion opposed to the US invasion of Iraq.

    So if you find my first example poor, fine. I can roll with that. Supplant this one instead and go back and read from Ellen DeGeneres down after reading this.

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    You could make a long list of people who did one thing to have it all go belly up for them in a day.
    One of the most famous is Winona Ryder. She was caught shoplifting, didn't work for 4 years.
     
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    haha are you serious? Isn't she on Stranger Things? I guess I didn't get the joke...
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 8, 2020, Original Post Date: Jun 8, 2020 ---
    I haven't been here in a long time but I have to say I'm really proud of Boyega. As a black man one of the many things, I love about Star Wars and Star Trek is the many alien races we meet. In a world where you're judged simply by your skin color really hurts. It's nice to forget all the hate and watch an optimistic sci-fi/fantasy story where there is more than white and black. My sister used to ask me why do love watching these sci-fi shows when we were young. I got to the tv before her I didn't have an answer for her then but I know now that is why. When I was a child I used to say racism will end with an alien invasion... all humans will band together no matter your skin color and fight the wicked aliens. We will be racist toward the Klingons or some other evil alien race. haha I think I watch and read too much sci-fi but I think you may get my point. Just watched Another Life on Netflix which has a transgender doctor on board the space ship... anywho before I go off on tangent. I'm really proud of Boyega.

    I hope Boyega's career flourishes because we all know the Hollywood GOOD OLD BOYS still have the keys to mouse house... Lol
     
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    I love your post!
    One of my favorite original cast Star Trek films was Undiscovered Country because it just combined the USSR cold war and racism into one narrative of overcoming fear for acceptance.

    I still think that's far better than Wrath of Khan.

    As a child of Star Trek and Next Gen, I gotta say...the world we've become since is waaaaay off script from what I expected.

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