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John Boyega Joins Black Lives Matter Protest

Discussion in 'Random Discussion' started by Jayson, Jun 3, 2020.

  1. Jayson

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    I would be more agreeing here if Congress were of the same party, but it's not.

    Most of the Legislative changes in the Executive party's favor were done when Trump first took office and the Republican part in his favor were in control of The House and Senate.
    It wasn't unilateral control of the Executive branch.
    It's just that when one party gets elected to both halves of Legislation and the Executive branch, whatever that party wants...welll...they get.

    That's why everything started going absolutely crazy after the election cycle of Congress and the Republican party lost the House control; because now they couldn't just do whatever they wanted.
    That's when the tantrums for show started dialing a lot more, and the executive orders started flying (which can only do so much).

    The dumbest thing we ever did wasn't this.
    The dumbest thing we ever did was basically hand the keys over to the Presidential seat on declaration of terrorism (Patriot Act), because that lead to things like the Insurrection Act amendments, which allows for things like what we saw on 6/1/20 when Trump, quite legally, threatened military action against a claimed domestic terrorism - which is so loosely defined that a protest, not even a riot, could be classed as domestic terrorism.
    That all started under Bush Jr. as a knee-jerk reaction to terrorism, and it was stupid.

    Luckily, other branches of government stepped in and applied opposing pressure and Trump backed off from inacting the Insurrection Act (or any combination of Title 10 and 18 of the USC).

    But that's not unilateral control. That's temporary emergency action that gets checked by the Legislative and Judicial branches (still a really stupid, stupid set of laws though).

    Cheers,
    Jayson

    p.s. I don't mind this topic getting political...I mean, it started off as that. :)
     
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    Friends! Cantinians! Galactic Citizens! Lend me your ears.

    While it is our normative stance here at The Cantina to curtail conversation regarding real life politics, as this is a Star Wars forum meant for discussing Star Wars, this particular issue is one that we are encouraging to continue. Desperate times call for desperate measures, and we recognize that with today's climate of "remaining silent is a stance against equality," we don't want to present ourselves as not caring or apathetic.
    We know that voices need to be heard and we are all capable of incredible things if we work together, and that is something that can be accomplished by allowing some room here for the discussion to be had.

    While we have been personally encouraged by the way conversation has gone here so far, we do ask that you kindly continue stick to the facts of the issues at hand, and keep things in a nonpartisan fashion.

    "We had each other. That's how we won."
     
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  3. Jayson

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    I have to say, this is truly bada## and gives me a jolt of pride for our community! <3

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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    Thanks, I paraphrased Shakespeare. All credit goes to him.

    Lol, it very much goes to the 1030th. I'm a just a mouthpiece.
     
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    This is in the "Random Discussion" though.
     
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    Correct, and normally a thread of political nature wouldn't be allowed to exist even here. (The discourse is rough and irritating, and it gets everywhere.)
    But now that some despicable acts have awoken the world, finally, a movement as beautiful and inspiring as this one needs every avenue possible to make sure it keeps thriving.
     
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    Where's the g##d### love trophy. lol

    I was watching the TROS doc today.
    Boyega and Ackie we excitedly talking about how insane it was to have a black man and black woman leading the cavalry; talking about how that just never happens in a major ensemble film (they used different words, but that was the gist of it). They were properly giddy.
    That made me smile, but it was also sad by implication.

    Cheers,
    Jayson
     
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    I think that's a great rule.

    It's incredible how much this movement has started. I live in a pretty small town, and even we had a pretty strong turnout for our protest last week.

    It's strange to see the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone, though. I visited that area last summer, and stayed in a house that is literally about a block and a half from the captured Zone. It seemed like such an almost utopian, open-minded place at the time. Kinda makes it extra hard to see it in such strife now.
     
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    Boyega has really touched me with his passion and emotions. He was always outspoken and someone to look up to and I hope he gets everything he deserves in this world.

    And anti-racism shouldn't even be considered as political issue, but normal human decency.
     
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    I don't think it was the anti-racism part that he was talking about, it was the part about polices departments and a few other things.
     
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    Oops, I thought he was talking about this thread in general.

    Still, I think all mods and admins agree this is the issue worth making exception for from our own rules. @Stormagadon said it the best, we have to encourage this conversation as long as it remains civil so that these issues don't become invisible again as soon as they disappear from the headlines. As someone who comes from like 99% white country, the amount of things I learned and information that became available to me since the protests started is unbelievable.

    Guys, if you have links to the charities that you think are the best to help, if you want to articles or the facts, this isn't a bad place to share them and make the available to all the members.
     
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    Actually, the police stuff that I wrote are my opinion of how to stop institutional racism in policing.
    Part of the problem is we're playing whackamole with both systemic and individual racism because no two police departments have to exactly follow the same rule book on how they govern their police station and force.

    You can be in one State where every officer looks like they're reading Arnold's latest body building book and talks to you like a Bob Ross video, and hop over to another State and see almost half a force that's running obese and were medical discharges, and pulls you over for driving down the road with a poodle in your passenger seat for no reason because they thought it was a black person and get all silently bothered when it's not and send you on your way without a ticket (actually happened).

    That variability enables both individual racism and systemic racism because it guarantees national inequality on the quality, governance, and operation of police forces.

    So my policing rebuild comments are actually about racism.

    Cheers,
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    I totally agree with you on your views on the police unions and congress. you have done some great well thought out post in here. I have also been impressed on how civil this topic has been.
     
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    I must say. After a couple of days of, from my admittedly limited scope, minimal discussion on this following my first post in this thread. I started to wonder if I'd been premature with my statement that I'd seldom felt this proud to be a lifelong Star Wars fan. But after reading this post, I feel even more proud than ever before. :)
     
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    Part of the reason it's so thought out is that I've actually been thinking about our systemic issues of our government as a machine for governing a country since I was 17 (I'm 41 now), so...I've had a while, and policing inequality was something on my radar all the way back then because ... well ... two things: A) It was right in front of me even though I lived in a super white island in the middle of fricken nowhere because, shockers, if you remove minority groups, the inequality target just slides over to some other sub-group because apparently humans haven't gotten too far beyond being wild animals that just freak out at someone being different than the "pack", and B) Um....Rodney King Riots, Diary of Anne Frank, To Kill a Mockingbird, Uncle Tom's Cabin, every English class I had growing up, 1968 riots documentaries in History class, Billy Joel's "We didn't start the fire", MLK, JFK, Bobby K, Malcom X, Black Panther, the Civil Rights movement, WW2, and getting into trouble for checking out every book from the school library on Nazis because history class didn't answer HOW that psychotic crap happened and I needed to understand HOW a people gets to the point of doing THAT .... *breathes* (that was Junior High), aaaaand then spending a lot of time bored in the court house library waiting for my Mom, who was a paralegal secretary, to finish court so I just started pulling books down and reading, and then I started examining our own system of government and our problems and why do have what we have today as a system, and why do we have the problems that we have.

    I actually have a much more broad design for "all of our issues" *insert huge fricken asterisk* by addressing the system as a mechanical concept, rather than playing whackamole and trying to solve each problem separately (which will never result in anything running right...I mean...come on! We're running in the Indianapolis 500 with a1920's stream racer that's been ad-hoc adjusted and tuned thousands of times by multiple teams for varying purposes and now looks like a Frankencar and we're surprised we can't even place in the top 10?).

    Anyway... Glad you are getting some thoughts going as a result of it. :)

    Cheers,
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    Growing up as a mixed race person in the 80's I never thought that it was out of the norm. I had experiences of things like family members getting pulled over for DWB( driving while Black) and the native hatred that is huge here. Which is actually native americans hating all white people and blaming every other person for their problems. So this topic hits really close at home for me.

    I had 2 uncles one was a cop the other a drug dealer. I know weird. I still love the same. The drug dealer died young. The other worked on the police force for 20 plus years, he got threats for some other dirty officers. The kind that did a bust and only handed in 2000$ instead of the 40000$ they pulled off of someone. Yet the police unions made it next impossible to weed those ones out. I do think some the answer is creating a better form of law enforcement and getting rid of the union. I do not think the removing them is a good idea. It is also a high stress job when you see a lot of bad that they have to deal with day in and day out. you became desensitized to things. we want them there when bad things happen and sometimes forget what they have to do and see. Yes there are a lot of bad cops out there doing things to people and we need to weed them out.

    I think as a whole more officers assault poor people then picking out people by color. I see it here with the Crow tribe all time. The media has been focused on the BLM movement but have place the other races on the back burner. In my state hundreds of native women have been abducted or murder and it gets zero media attention. The people here protesting have also forgotten to look into our own yard.

    So I am glad that this thread is here. I am glad as fans we have a chance to get to make our voice heard and unite. As a people I hope we can do better.
     
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    I wish I could find the image because I'm not going to be able to say it as poetic, but I saw on social media somewhere a question being posed as to whether or not it was a good idea to have children in a world such as ours. But instead of worrying about that, what if we simply raised children who will change the world and someday be better than all of us?

    In many ways I have already seen it in today's youth. Kids, teenagers, younger generations always tend to get the apathetic and lazy label. But these protests and movements are made up and organized by so many young bright minds. It gives me hope.

    As a parent of young children myself, I think about this a lot. And to all you other parents, aunts, uncles, caregivers, teachers, coaches, public figures, neighbors, siblings, cousins, acquaintances, all of you.... kids are always watching. And if they aren't watching, they're listening. Always be mindful, always do what you can to set the best possible example. In my experience, some of the better role models never even considered themselves one or even knew that there was someone who looked up to them. Continue to always be a person that someone will look up to.... because trust me, whether you realize it or not, someone somewhere is already looking up to you.
     
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    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 11, 2020, Original Post Date: Jun 11, 2020 ---
    One thing about this that seems minor in hindsight, but thank god for cell phone video.
     
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    You know...
    The handprints got me thinking...

    Officers put their hands on the back of cars as they approach so that if they are murdered there's trace evidence of their fingerprints.

    People need something like that, that tells if an officer used too much force without needing a camera to prove it.

    Like a material that changes color after a ceratin pressure is applied, and that pressure is the level that is excessive force.

    I don't know of which fabric and chemical mix that is, but I know I've seen a chemical that works something like that. Thermodynamics.

    Hmm. Reading time.

    Cheers,
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    While any form of racism is bad and all lives should matter equally, I am afraid that the way things are being done would lead to more divisions and conflicts. So, I ask everyone to stay calm and reasonable.
     
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