OFFICIAL NEWS John Boyega says Episode VIII script is " much darker" than TFA

Finn of Ren · Jan 15, 2016

I'm clouded because I don't find a racist joke funny? Okay, I guess I'm clouded.

romall smith · Jan 16, 2016

TTT said: ↑

Finn's parents aren't important.
Where Finn comes from isn't important
Finn's last name isn't important
Finn's past and relationship with the First Order ain't important
Finn being FS is unnecessary (apparently we got enough of those types)
Finn actually having a story arc over three films in not important
Finn having a more than platonic relationship with Rey is not needed
Finn playing a major role in the defeat of the FO is a non-starter
Finn getting major on-screen victories is not needed because he ISN'T THE LEAD, blah, blah, blah.

This has been pretty much the attitude of so many people both before seeing the movie and after. Despite JJ going on record stating time and time again that Rey and Finn were the two leads, the attitude has been by a shocking amount of folks that Finn doesn't matter. Yeah, those folks like to toss out token, uninspired stories that Finn could take part of in the future (join the Resistance and fight the FO.....or join the Resistance and fight the FO alongside Poe!). But that's about it. Heck, he might as well stay in a coma if that's the case. Actually there are people who do wish that or even death on the character.

I'm on the record of being extremely disappointed with what was done with Finn in TFA. It has led me to have less than a stellar confidence in how TPTB will handle the character going forward. But even I still have to concede that I can't say for certain how the character will end up. We're only 1/3 the way through this new trilogy and while it will take some heavy lifting to salvage this character, in my eyes at least, it is humanly possible....just as long as it gets underway in VIII.

But so many of you are putting Finn in a box. Once more it is only about what he can't be to you guys. Your attitude suggests he is pretty much insignificant to the larger storylines. There is no serious contemplation on these boards about any upcoming plot lines other than those involving Rey, Kylo, Luke and Snoke. Coincidence that all are just happened to be confirmed force sensitive beings? Heck, no. Despite protest that Finn doesn't need to be FS or a jedi to be a co-lead and have a great character arc is bullcrap. Being a user of the force is all the vast majority of you SW fans care about. Which is why many fans of Finn want him to be FS and perhaps why many people out there don't want him to be (they would be forced to start paying attention to him if he were).

But I'm not going to dwell on the whole FS thing. Whatever happens or doesn't happen on that end is not as important. What is important to me is JJ's words in a handful of magazine interviews in which he not only touched upon to what amounts to a hero's journey for Finn, but didn't make any distinction of importance between his journey and Rey's. Granted Rey appears to be the most vital of them all but JJ pointed out again and again how much this new trilogy was about THESE TWO primary characters. (two figurative orphans who discover one another and activate each other; a story about a boy and a girl.....). JJ and Kasdan planted the seeds and pretty much mapped out how Rey and Finn will turn out by the end of the trilogy (although leaving more than enough room for the following directors to get them to those places in the ways they see best). So....do I take JJ at his word? That's a tough one. After how Finn was portrayed in TFA I have my doubts. But if indeed Finn and Rey are kinda going their own paths in the next film would it be smart to devote so much time to a Finn character who is that much of a dud unless there were some actual big plans for him?

By the way it only takes an imagination and dedication to give all characters their just due if you want to make their storylines compelling. So why not explore some of Finn's past? If there were no plans of doing so then it wasn't necessary to give him such a background in the first place. In fact you can do something small such as Finn and some others arriving on a planet after some battle and Finn feeling something.....familiar about it. And he comes to the realization that this was the homeworld from which he was born. And we can leave it at that or explore it further if more children were still being taken from that world.

I think it is intentional that Rey, Finn and Kylo were all not going by names given to them at birth (I'm convinced Rey was called something else before Jakku) and that all three were wearing masks when we first see them in TFA. There is something more going on there which means there is more going on with Finn. Or perhaps I'm getting too optimistic once more.
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They said with holding the last name is intentional. I have said it more than a few time finn is more important than some people want to believe ...

AstromechRecords · Jan 16, 2016

TTT said: ↑

Finn's parents aren't important.
Where Finn comes from isn't important
Finn's last name isn't important
Finn's past and relationship with the First Order ain't important
Finn being FS is unnecessary (apparently we got enough of those types)
Finn actually having a story arc over three films in not important
Finn having a more than platonic relationship with Rey is not needed
Finn playing a major role in the defeat of the FO is a non-starter
Finn getting major on-screen victories is not needed because he ISN'T THE LEAD, blah, blah, blah.

This has been pretty much the attitude of so many people both before seeing the movie and after. Despite JJ going on record stating time and time again that Rey and Finn were the two leads, the attitude has been by a shocking amount of folks that Finn doesn't matter. Yeah, those folks like to toss out token, uninspired stories that Finn could take part of in the future (join the Resistance and fight the FO.....or join the Resistance and fight the FO alongside Poe!). But that's about it. Heck, he might as well stay in a coma if that's the case. Actually there are people who do wish that or even death on the character.

I'm on the record of being extremely disappointed with what was done with Finn in TFA. It has led me to have less than a stellar confidence in how TPTB will handle the character going forward. But even I still have to concede that I can't say for certain how the character will end up. We're only 1/3 the way through this new trilogy and while it will take some heavy lifting to salvage this character, in my eyes at least, it is humanly possible....just as long as it gets underway in VIII.

But so many of you are putting Finn in a box. Once more it is only about what he can't be to you guys. Your attitude suggests he is pretty much insignificant to the larger storylines. There is no serious contemplation on these boards about any upcoming plot lines other than those involving Rey, Kylo, Luke and Snoke. Coincidence that all are just happened to be confirmed force sensitive beings? Heck, no. Despite protest that Finn doesn't need to be FS or a jedi to be a co-lead and have a great character arc is bullcrap. Being a user of the force is all the vast majority of you SW fans care about. Which is why many fans of Finn want him to be FS and perhaps why many people out there don't want him to be (they would be forced to start paying attention to him if he were).

But I'm not going to dwell on the whole FS thing. Whatever happens or doesn't happen on that end is not as important. What is important to me is JJ's words in a handful of magazine interviews in which he not only touched upon to what amounts to a hero's journey for Finn, but didn't make any distinction of importance between his journey and Rey's. Granted Rey appears to be the most vital of them all but JJ pointed out again and again how much this new trilogy was about THESE TWO primary characters. (two figurative orphans who discover one another and activate each other; a story about a boy and a girl.....). JJ and Kasdan planted the seeds and pretty much mapped out how Rey and Finn will turn out by the end of the trilogy (although leaving more than enough room for the following directors to get them to those places in the ways they see best). So....do I take JJ at his word? That's a tough one. After how Finn was portrayed in TFA I have my doubts. But if indeed Finn and Rey are kinda going their own paths in the next film would it be smart to devote so much time to a Finn character who is that much of a dud unless there were some actual big plans for him?

By the way it only takes an imagination and dedication to give all characters their just due if you want to make their storylines compelling. So why not explore some of Finn's past? If there were no plans of doing so then it wasn't necessary to give him such a background in the first place. In fact you can do something small such as Finn and some others arriving on a planet after some battle and Finn feeling something.....familiar about it. And he comes to the realization that this was the homeworld from which he was born. And we can leave it at that or explore it further if more children were still being taken from that world.

I think it is intentional that Rey, Finn and Kylo were all not going by names given to them at birth (I'm convinced Rey was called something else before Jakku) and that all three were wearing masks when we first see them in TFA. There is something more going on there which means there is more going on with Finn. Or perhaps I'm getting too optimistic once more.
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JJ a said that there is a VERY specific reason for why afinn and Rey don't have last names .
http://www.newsarama.com/25529-j-j-...wars-the-force-awakens-character-details.html

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Finn of Ren said: ↑

I'm clouded because I don't find a racist joke funny? Okay, I guess I'm clouded.
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What was the joke ?

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romall smith said: ↑

They said with holding the last name is intentional. I have said it more than a few time finn is more important than some people want to believe ...
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Finn NEEDS ago he a groundbreaking character but being FS isn't necessary in my opinion, I bet he will be A "HIGH-CONCEPT" Character .

Trooper212 · Jan 16, 2016

TTT said: ↑

Finn's parents aren't important.
Where Finn comes from isn't important
Finn's last name isn't important
Finn's past and relationship with the First Order ain't important
Finn being FS is unnecessary (apparently we got enough of those types)
Finn actually having a story arc over three films in not important
Finn having a more than platonic relationship with Rey is not needed
Finn playing a major role in the defeat of the FO is a non-starter
Finn getting major on-screen victories is not needed because he ISN'T THE LEAD, blah, blah, blah.

This has been pretty much the attitude of so many people both before seeing the movie and after. Despite JJ going on record stating time and time again that Rey and Finn were the two leads, the attitude has been by a shocking amount of folks that Finn doesn't matter. Yeah, those folks like to toss out token, uninspired stories that Finn could take part of in the future (join the Resistance and fight the FO.....or join the Resistance and fight the FO alongside Poe!). But that's about it. Heck, he might as well stay in a coma if that's the case. Actually there are people who do wish that or even death on the character.

I'm on the record of being extremely disappointed with what was done with Finn in TFA. It has led me to have less than a stellar confidence in how TPTB will handle the character going forward. But even I still have to concede that I can't say for certain how the character will end up. We're only 1/3 the way through this new trilogy and while it will take some heavy lifting to salvage this character, in my eyes at least, it is humanly possible....just as long as it gets underway in VIII.

But so many of you are putting Finn in a box. Once more it is only about what he can't be to you guys. Your attitude suggests he is pretty much insignificant to the larger storylines. There is no serious contemplation on these boards about any upcoming plot lines other than those involving Rey, Kylo, Luke and Snoke. Coincidence that all are just happened to be confirmed force sensitive beings? Heck, no. Despite protest that Finn doesn't need to be FS or a jedi to be a co-lead and have a great character arc is bullcrap. Being a user of the force is all the vast majority of you SW fans care about. Which is why many fans of Finn want him to be FS and perhaps why many people out there don't want him to be (they would be forced to start paying attention to him if he were).

But I'm not going to dwell on the whole FS thing. Whatever happens or doesn't happen on that end is not as important. What is important to me is JJ's words in a handful of magazine interviews in which he not only touched upon to what amounts to a hero's journey for Finn, but didn't make any distinction of importance between his journey and Rey's. Granted Rey appears to be the most vital of them all but JJ pointed out again and again how much this new trilogy was about THESE TWO primary characters. (two figurative orphans who discover one another and activate each other; a story about a boy and a girl.....). JJ and Kasdan planted the seeds and pretty much mapped out how Rey and Finn will turn out by the end of the trilogy (although leaving more than enough room for the following directors to get them to those places in the ways they see best). So....do I take JJ at his word? That's a tough one. After how Finn was portrayed in TFA I have my doubts. But if indeed Finn and Rey are kinda going their own paths in the next film would it be smart to devote so much time to a Finn character who is that much of a dud unless there were some actual big plans for him?

By the way it only takes an imagination and dedication to give all characters their just due if you want to make their storylines compelling. So why not explore some of Finn's past? If there were no plans of doing so then it wasn't necessary to give him such a background in the first place. In fact you can do something small such as Finn and some others arriving on a planet after some battle and Finn feeling something.....familiar about it. And he comes to the realization that this was the homeworld from which he was born. And we can leave it at that or explore it further if more children were still being taken from that world.

I think it is intentional that Rey, Finn and Kylo were all not going by names given to them at birth (I'm convinced Rey was called something else before Jakku) and that all three were wearing masks when we first see them in TFA. There is something more going on there which means there is more going on with Finn. Or perhaps I'm getting too optimistic once more.
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You hit the nail on the head with this one. Finn is a co-lead, and he's just as important as Rey. It's kind of sad people have to keep restating this but I guess most people's minds go; Jedi=Sole Lead.

Rey24B · Jan 16, 2016

Finn's not having a last name is "specific." Because he didn't have a name period until Poe gave him one. And yes, I believe that he'll continue to be a major factor moving forward.

Actually, it's kind of exciting since I really have no idea where his character goes from here, which rarely happens in film.

Miloh · Jan 16, 2016

AstromechRecords said: ↑

JJ a said that there is a VERY specific reason for why afinn and Rey don't have last names .
http://www.newsarama.com/25529-j-j-...wars-the-force-awakens-character-details.html

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What was the joke ?

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Finn NEEDS ago he a groundbreaking character but being FS isn't necessary in my opinion, I bet he will be A "HIGH-CONCEPT" Character .
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Sure. Finn Windu (frozen in carbonite) and Rey Skywalker, hidden from Ben Solo.

romall smith · Jan 16, 2016

Rey24B said: ↑

Finn's not having a last name is "specific." Because he didn't have a name period until Poe gave him one. And yes, I believe that he'll continue to be a major factor moving forward.

Actually, it's kind of exciting since I really have no idea where his character goes from here, which rarely happens in film.
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right? more often than not we know exactly what will happen next. I don't think its as simple as he was a storm trooper so no last name needed. If it was the case they would not have made it a point to show him as a child and point out he was taken at birth. His last name may not be skywalker but that doesn't mean its not important going forward. If they are basing him of kyle katarn or Finn Galfridian then he would actually have royal ties, The possibility are endless

AstromechRecords · Jan 17, 2016

Miloh said: ↑

Sure. Finn Windu (frozen in carbonite) and Rey Skywalker, hidden from Ben Solo.
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I don't think "Finn Windy ."

Miloh · Jan 17, 2016

AstromechRecords said: ↑

I don't think "Finn Windy ."
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Yeah, you're probably right. I dont really think that either, because I think Finn just has a secret last name because even his first name is "FN". Most likely the first order is going to do their homework and know who they are recruiting from birth and not get fooled by a Windu. Just fun to think about.

AstromechRecords · Jan 17, 2016

Miloh said: ↑

Yeah, you're probably right. I dont really think that either, because I think Finn just has a secret last name because even his first name is "FN". Most likely the first order is going to do their homework and know who they are recruiting from birth and not get fooled by a Windu. Just fun to think about.
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True...I don't think Finn's parents were really able to name him, though, if he was taken literally the second he was born .

Darth Klaugott · Jan 18, 2016

My prediction for a darker Episode VIII:

- Chewbacca dies.
- Luke dies, but become a Force Ghost.
- Epic "Rey, I'm your brother!" - "Noooooooo" scene with Kylo and Rey.
- R2-D2 will be destroyed.
- Finn captured (by Phasma) and tortured (by Kylo or Snoke) to bring Rey to the dark side.
- Rey loses a limb (a leg?)

romall smith · Jan 19, 2016

Darth Klaugott said: ↑

My prediction for a darker Episode VIII:
- Rey loses a limb (a leg?)
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nope KK won't let Rey be marred in any why (enter finn) He will lose an arm for her

Dormé · Jan 19, 2016

Darth Klaugott said: ↑

- Epic "Rey, I'm your brother!" - "Noooooooo" scene with Kylo and Rey.
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I will honestly scream if this happens!

I know some people would hate this with a burning passion because they would feel like it's borrowing too much from the OT, but I actually love the idea of them being brother and sister and personally I would be surprised since I'm one of those who believe Rey isn't a Skywalker (a discussion for another thread). On the other hand it might not be the best idea to "pay homage" so openly to such an iconic moment in that way

NYR_Steve · Jan 19, 2016

If Finn is related to Mace Windu or Lando then fail.

AstromechRecords · Jan 19, 2016

NYR_Steve said: ↑

If Finn is related to Mace Windu or Lando then fail.
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Well, in retrospect, there were literally TWO black people in both trilogies unless you count dark skinned people like Adi Gallia and stuff so yeah it would be weird because anything AFTRR ROTJ is treading new ground lightly .

Rey24B · Jan 19, 2016

I REALLY doubt that Finn is related to either Lando or Mace. Just because we only got two prominent black characters in the previous films, doesn't mean that more didn't exist offscreen.

Also Rey and Kylo being cousins could also work, if they want to do a "battle for Anakin's legacy" kind of deal. In fact, it might even work better than if they were siblings.

Lord Skywalker · Jan 19, 2016

Rey and Kylo are most likely cousins, Rey will embody Anakin's light side and Jedi ways, Kylo will embody Anakin's Vader side and Sith ways

Rey24B · Jan 19, 2016

Which could be rather cool if they do it well:

-PT-The rise and fall of Anakin Skywalker, and the birth of Darth Vader.
-OT-The fall of Darth Vader and the redemption of Anakin Skywalker.
-ST-The battle for his legacy. Two of his descendants, from different branches of the family, fighting over what will define him. The "good and decent" man Anakin, or the evil of Darth Vader.

77th · Jan 19, 2016

Actually i think it might be a good plot twist:

- Almost everyone are Force Sensitives (the force has awaken)
- Kylo kills Rey in Episode VIII
- Finn is not Force Sensitive, he is the main lead, goes to seek revenge from Kylo Ren in Episode IX

I would pay a ticket to see that

OKP23 · Jan 19, 2016

RuccusRob said: ↑

I honestly think Finn's home world is going to be under attack by the FO and he's probably going to sense it.
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That would be the best way to reveal that Finn is force sensitive. Put his past in danger of the the FO.

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Darth Plagueis is Snoke said: ↑

Prehaps Kylo and Snoke actually do destroy the republic. I can see Luke standing over the bodies of Rey and Leia, anger and remorse in his face as we pull away slowly, ominous music playing, then end credits. That would be pretty dark.
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What every SW has been consistent with is a happy ending. Your idea would be awfully sad and dark thing to end it on. I would much rather see an ending where Rey is saved from her possible battle with Kylo Ren, and Luke and Leia reunite, and Finn is reunited with Rey, etc.

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