John Williams thinks that Rey's parents might be identified to us in Episode IX.

I didn't say that. Rey, Finn, Poe and yes, maybe Kylo/Ben too are/will become a family. The same happened with Luke, Han, Chewie and Leia btw.

 

You’re talking about lineage, not family. @NinjaRen is talking about family.

I just can’t see where all this Rey Random is coming from. Rey is not random. She’s Rey. From Jakku. She’s a nice girl even though she’s had it tough. We like her. Well, I like her. Her family is now Finn, Leía, hopefully Poe, and maybe, it depends on JJ and his plans for redemption, Kylo too. Since when being connected to the heroes of past trilogies is a recipe for becoming a better character in a story that wants to hold its own? Why is it so important? JJ may decide that Rey is the daughter of so and so as a plot device, and that would be ok with me, but I don’t need Rey to be connected to anyone in the previous trilogies to make her character better or more relatable. I like Rey because she’s brave and good against all odds. Because she is loyal and wants to do the right thing. Her power and her resilience have been explained in the story. What exactly ancentry would do to make her so much better a heroine, may I ask?

 

I liked Rey after TFA, the Jakku scenes were good. I heavily dislike Rey after TLJ, especially for her connection with Kylo.
I think it is almost too late to make her sympathetic, she did attack an old man, had this shades of grey skype thing with Kylo and is an instant Jedi without training. I really have no expectations for her character anymore.
A bonding with Luke would have helped, but again too late.

 

It would be amazing, if years after episode 9, Daisy reprises her role as Rey in her late 50's, just to see if she remained the same unchanged...

 

All Hail Maestro John Williams
Rey's Theme played BACKWARDS is a very, very good enough HINT that Rey is no NOBODY (Thank God!) and henceforth no Mary Sue☺

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I certainly feel the same way. Thanks to Ruin "Reylo" Johnson Rey's character took a turn for the worse.

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I disagree. His music doesn’t lie and it DOES NOT MAKE ANY SENSE FOR REY TO BE A NOBODY UNRELATED TO THE SKYWALKERS. ANIDALA CREATED THIS WHOLE MESS AND IT WILL BE THEIR GRANDCHILDREN TO FINALLY FIX IT.

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No kidding? THIS IS NOW EPISODE 9 THE LAST FILM OF THE SEQUEL TRILOGY. WHAT IS THIS SAGA ALL ABOUT? THE SKYWALKER FAMILY BLOODLINE WHICH BEGAN WITH ANAKIN BEING BORN TO SLAVE SHMI SKYWALKER AND ARGUABLY SITH LEGEND DARTH PLAGEIS THE WISE. Is it wise to have Rey anothet nobody at this point of the saga?

 

But if he felt that Rey was Luke's daughter (and he did), that would matter to the end of the film when they see each other and it would be relevant to who she is as a person. In fact, I wouldn't be surprised if that was his inspiration for combining Binary Sunset and Rey's theme, which felt to some of us like a hint that Luke and Rey were related.

And if he still believes she isn't a nobody, then that plays into how he thinks about and writes his music.

 

But what you refer to as 'Binary Sunset' is also simply - and perhaps more commonly - known as 'The Force Theme', and isn't always used in ways that are specifically about Luke. It more widely just represents 'The Force'.

So it's use in the context you mention, although certainly open to interpretation, is 'The Force Theme' being used to simply underpin the moment Rey is using The Force, to create a nostalgic and uplifting moment. She is now a champion of the Force!

The same is true for other John Williams' leitmotifs - they serve more than one purpose. Take Darth Vader's theme for example. Is it Darth Vader's theme or is it The Imperial March? The answer is it's both. It's used to represent Vader in some contexts, and in others - and perhaps more commonly - it simply represents the Empire.

 

agreed!!

 

Rey herself said she was a nobody. End of discussion.

 

She also said she was on a secret mission.

 

Rey ask BB8 where he is from. BB8 beeps at her. Rey says Classified? Me too. However, she is very sarcastic when she says this. She is not telling him that her origins are classified. She is frustrated because this droid whomshe initially wants to be rid of but he insists that he stays with her is now wanting to be secretive. So she is a smart ass back to him

 

I find it curious how we are here believing something that a dark sider said to benefit their personal agenda and narrative.

That should say something in and of itself.

She is clearly being manipulated to Kylo's end. The substance of the manipulation should be taken for what it is - not for the words themselves.

And, imo, Rey doesn't "agree" with him, she is unsure and uncomfortable. Two emotions ripe for manipulation and interpretation.

I don't think her parentage has necessarily been resolved yet. The rest of Rian's movie fed off this same archetype of breaking down the character's and audience's expectations and using misdirection, taking preconceptions and making them misconceptions. His style suits itself to creating a misbelief and shattering it. He gets off on this. No reason why he wouldn't set this up for the next movie giving us all the impression it is a resolved, when it has not.

 

IMHO, it started as an overall Imperial March.... but the Empire and Vader are virtually synonymous in E5 so when it came time to introduce the Emperor in E6 (and yes I know we were introduced to him in E5 but I mean the part when we really meet him) Williams moved to a different motif for him, leaving the Imperial March with Vader. Then, of course, the theme made for some great foreshadowing in the prequels.

The man's brilliance cannot be overstated. There are not terribly many artists that leave me in awe the way he does.

 

Agreed.

JJ Abrams and Lawrence Kasdan created the character and they make it clear in TFA makes it very clear that it did not matter who her parents were because Rey was supposed to leave all that behind.

Rey's parents being nobodies who abandoned her in exchanged for booze was a major part of TLJ.

To turn all that around would be silly.

People just have it in their heads that "shocking revelations" about family is a big part of Star Wars. It isn't. It only happened once.

 

True, but it depends on how you look at it. The reveal that Rey is related to nobody important is in itself a "shocking revelation about family" if you go into the film expecting her to be 'somebody'.

The 'twist' in 'Empire Strikes Back' was the revelation that Vader was Luke's father. It was a suprise and not what most people expected. But because of that, people have gone into the TLJ with the expectation that there will be a revelation that Rey must be the daughter of 'somebody'.

But if it did exactly as people expected, then there would be no twist and no surprise.

The 'twist' - the 'shocking' revelation - is therefore that she is a 'nobody'. It's not what most people expected.

So both ESB and TJL have a 'twist' reveal.

You could say, that by subverting expectations, TLJ actually delivered what we should have expected, if what we expected was a twist in the tale akin to the one in ESB.

So rather than NOT being a surprise revelation like the one in ESB, it actually IS a surprise revelation like the one in ESB.

 

Why this is true to some extent I don’t think it is exactly the same. ESB was a twist to everyone. No one went into ESB thinking that Vader was Luke’s father. Going into TLJ there were a number of people who felt like Rey was from a random lineage. To them there was no real twist.

 

I understand your point but is just it shouldn't be a shock for people because we are told in TFA whoever the parents are it doesn't matter.

 

I know. I was one of them!