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Kathleen Kennedy Leaving Lucasfilm?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by DeakStarkiller, Jun 9, 2018.

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Do you think it is likely Kathleen Kennedy will step down from Lucasfilm?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. DeakStarkiller

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    Surprised this hasn't been reported on yet:

    https://www.flickeringmyth.com/2018/06/rumour-kathleen-kennedy-stepping-down-from-lucasfilm/

    It's all over the 'net.

    What do you think?

    Personally, I think she should go because she simply doesn't "get it" as she herself admits over and over again, "I'm still learning." Four moves into a franchise with a decades' long history? Still learning? Not good.

    The vibe leading up to TFA was "salt the earth" -- by the time TFA hit, I think she realized how huge of a fanbase the PT, TCW and the EU had. R1 was almost an answer to TFA with all of its references to SW arcana. With TLJ, she let RJ get creative and make a personal statement (which worked for me), but I thought Solo was nothing but homages and easter eggs glued together into a generic action movie. Also, TLJ felt like the last SW movie--it just did--I've heard and seen umpteen people express that feeling; it had an air of finality to it that kinda killed the buzz.

    So, she's been all over the place. And peripheral junk like Forces of Destiny hasn't helped. Does anyone watch The Freemaker Adventures? (Which is actually a cool little show). The high point of Rebels was bringing Rex, Ahsoka and Maul back--all original GL characters.

    There's just a fundamental lack of vision and direction here.

    If this turns out to be true, as long as they slot in someone who "gets" the SW genre (and it is its own genre now) and can bring some order and direction to all this chaotic flailing, I'm all for it.
     
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    I looked at the Freemakers, I liked it !
     
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    Definitely a job I would not want, no matter what the income. No way to please this huge conglomeration of people that we loosely term Star Wars "fans" these days.

    I am sure if KK goes, there will be a huge happy response as she is not well liked.
     
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    She needs to go. As someone who was defending her as recently as April, I can't ignore the fact that she is divisive and out of touch. If she thinks Star Wars needs strong female characters then that itself is evidence she doesn't get the IP she is heading. It has ALWAYS had strong female characters. Well written ones as well.

    Bring in Kevin Faige from the MCU. He gets it. Assuming he'd want control. Remove KK. Remove Pablo Hidalgo and anyone else who continuously bashes the fan base. You do NOT bash your own fans. Period. They are the customers. This goes for that crazy idiot Chuck Wendig and Freddy Prinze Jr. Either stop bashing the customers or you will no longer work for LFL.

    Sorry to go off topic.
     
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    Me ?
    I Love the Lady.
    But, I Ain't Nobody.
    And, What I think ? It Don't matter ... one 'Opinion'.
    Not Here.
    Not AnyWheres.
    Can't Be Proved.

    I am on the Outside of this. How many of 'Us' Are ?
    I know ... what We All "Know" ... what's that ?

    Some 'Loud Few' folks .. they don't like her.
    She ain't no "creative" ... she's a Producer.
    She Always Been.
    An' She's a President.
    Now.
    President of a company that give Most of Us Stories ...
    Stories, Handed Down to Us.
    She was Chosen.

    I Do Not believe ... No, I don't, what was put on the ... "internet".

    What will be, Will Be ...
    but, fer now ?

    Nope.
    I remain Behind Her.

    ..oh, Not akin' fer Any Hate ...

    ...ya Asked ?
    I said.
     
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    I don't want KK to leave because I fear we might get someone worst. Snagging the GoT show runners shows me that KK wants the best for Star Wars. I mean GAME OF THRONES who could convince those guys to do Star Wars? Anyone who can snag those guys, gets my vote of confidence. Most people want KK to leave assuming that they'll get someone better... go figure... anyone that thinks Dave Filoni can run LFL doesn't have a clue... Dave is an animator/artist. He doesn't have experience running such a huge company. Some people don't even like Dave's Clone Wars stuff... I do:D

    Kevin Feige loves comics its rare to find an executive like him. Look at all the executives at Warner bros they don't have a clue about the DC universe. Feige understands Marvel and filming a rare combo.

    It would be rare to find an executive that understands STAR WARS and filmmaking. Most executive only know about money making thats what it all boils down to. Films are made to make money.
     
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    Of course you backtrack and say "this doesn't reflect my actual politics." Maybe not, but it's a pretty damn good clue on your mindset.
     
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    This is all fanboy make-belief.

    There is nothing to this "rumor". There are no inside sources, no nothing; the credibility of the newsletter it comes from in terms of "predicting" things are either obvious choices or small-scale leaks. I've been seeing YT videos and comments with titles like "Kathleen Kennedy is DONE" "Kathleen Kennedy LEAVING?" "Kathleen Kennedy has to go" "Kathleen Kennedy RUINING star wars" for like three years now, and it massively spiked when TLJ came out because some fans mistook not getting their version of Episode 8 as an offence.

    She's not ruining Star Wars, and she's not going anwhere. She produced 3 films in 3 years that made over a billion dollars worldwide each. Disney buys her like two solid gold houses for each one of those. She has one flop that Disney expected to flop way back in 2017, that's why they gave up on marketing it and building hype, they let it die. The fans b*tch and moan, but the fans have always bitched and moaned. They did over the prequels, and they did it over TFA, which is now upheld as the gold standard that TLJ should have striven to be when back when it came out people were complaining about "SJW"s, black leads, Mary Sue, ANH remake, ruining OT characters, etc.

    Fans make up "rumors". Some people just use "rumor" as code for their own projections, hopes and speculations. I don't even know if they are even aware of it.

    Notice that most people posting about this one are people unhappy with TLJ, or with the current direction. That's how these spread. People spread the rumors that confirm their own biases.

    Kathleen Kennedy has made more money creating Star Wars films in 3 years than George Lucas did during the entire prequel era. Disney is very happy with her, they've already recouped their purchase cost of LFL, and the fans will get over their complaints. They complained about TFA, R1 and TLJ, and then they say Solo bombed but admit it's actually a pretty good movie (so what are you measuring success by? Dollars or fan opinion? ).

    In short, yeah this is all made up. Don't believe it. It's a clickbait title because they know people who want their biases confirmed will click it. If she was going to be fired it would be an insider decision involving like the top 3 executives of Disney and it wouldn't leave the room, it's not a "rumor" you would be hearing about unless it had been festering for a long time--and I can guarantee you the fact that a vocal minority of fans hated TLJ was not a topic of conversation at Disney when the film made over a billion dollars and then cleaned up on home video.

    She will be leaving one day. And given how constant these rumors, predictions and projections are, eventually people will say "I was right." But it's like if you predict someone is going to die for 30 years straight and eventually they do, it's not because you were justified or had any inside knowledge. She'll probably stick around until at least Episode IX, it would be very bad to leave now when the script is done and the filming is about to begin. The timing makes no sense.
     
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    I don't see how this is "clickbait" or "fanboy make believe". The departure of Trank and the Solo directors was rumored before it happened -- heck, everything about SW 2.0 was pretty accurately rumored before it happened! Is anyone who's dissatisfied with her direction just a "fanboy" who just can't get with the program? I think it's probable that she could be moving on--as probable as anything else. The point of an IP like this is the reach the broadest possible audience, if the audience is shrinking, it's going in the wrong direction.
     
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    Okay this can't possibly be inflammatory:

    If Kathleen Kennedy were to leave, who do you think would actually want to replace her? It would be like asking someone, "Feel like playing Russian Roulette with your career, 5 bullets in the chamber?" When people say, Kathleen Kennedy is "out of touch" and "doesn't get Star Wars" you do realize these same people said these same things about George Lucas the man from whose very own mind Star Wars sprang. Think about that for a second. There are actually fans out there that think they know Star Wars, better than the man from whose mind it came. That's like me writing music and people claiming I don't know my music, they do.

    Am I the only one who remembers when Zach Snyder stepped down from DC, "vocal" fans were happy; then Joss Whedon was brought on board to the delight of many because Joss "got comics". The "course correction" was made. Justice League was made light-hearted and fun, Whedon basically converted it into Avengers 2.0, same plot, same characters, same villain, just all in different clothes with different names. And how did that work out for the DCEU? Well, is Joss Whedon still working? I'm not sure.
     
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    But there were sources to that.
    This has no actual grounds other than "Some fans aren't happy"
    --- Double Post Merged, Jun 9, 2018, Original Post Date: Jun 9, 2018 ---
    Kathleen Kennedy is one of the most successful producers in the history of Hollywood.
    She should go nowhere.

    Forces of Destiny isn't peripheral junk. It's a show aimed at 8 year olds. It's not made to entertain 40 year olds.
    Rebels was good without Ahsoka and Rex. Don't confuse your opinion with actual facts or some sort of broad general consensus.
     
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    I wasn't for the removal of Zack and I thought JL was a fun little movie, but there's a huge difference between SW and the DCU. #1 The DCU movies struggled to make audiences care about DC characters beyond Batman, Joker, Superman and Wonder Woman -- and failed; but the DCU does great on TV and animation and way better as comics than Marvel, overall. #2 SW was born as cinema, to get it wrong in its original medium is a painful misstep, it's about "losing face" more than money right now. #3 Something unexpected has happened -- after his departure, appreciation for the ambition, depth world building, idiosyncratic style and even stories GL told in the PT and TCW keeps rising--after all the sh!d he had to eat for so long, a lot of people are starting to "get" his voice and to see what he did as part of a whole cloth, and that's creating a completely left-field backlash that no one saw coming. All very complex and of course not "fixed" by firing someone.

    We'll see if this rumor has any truth behind it and if it does, what comes next. But I think KK has turned out to be the wrong curator for the IP. That doesn't make her a bad producer. She's a very good producer! She takes creative risks, can change course and still bring a movie in on budget and on time, and lots of other stuff. But that's not the same as managing an IP and growing its base, nor is it authoring an extremely long, complex, genre epic. A lot of creators who get big success (especially in comics) try to go indie and discover that it's a very different skill set to manage something as opposed to creating something. I think something like that has happened here. You know, Dino Di Laurentis produced some of the most acclaimed films of all time--then he produced Dune (1984) and discovered that not everyone can be a Walt Disney or a George Lucas--it's a different animal.

    FoD seems more like it's made for 3 year olds than 8 year olds. Compare it to S1 of Ewoks--that was more for 8 years olds, and there are still many episodes I can watch as an adult because they were well written, drawn and animated for their time.
     
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    It's been an interesting thread.

    Started out with a chorus of voices saying "She has to go, she doesn't 'get' Star Wars!"

    Then it turned to a bunch of voices saying "She's making bank, she'll stay!"

    Now it's not the fact that half of us say one thing and the other half say the opposite. We should all be used to that by now. It's the fact that the two haves were so clearly divided - almost all of the first responses went one way and all of the second half responses went the other way. Why is that?
     
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    I SAY: BRING GEORGE LUCAS BACK...PLEASE!!!!:D
     
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    George Lucas shall produce his own renditions of E7-9, but since he doesn't have the brand anymore, he will name them... "Space Skirmishes". It begins with Lucas Cloudsprinter teaching Beam how to use The Effort.
     
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    The same George Lucas, whom the fans passionately hated for ruining both Star Wars and their childhoods by making Prequels?
     
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    I can't see KK leaving until after EPIX, not from Disney or from her point of view.

    I don't think KK would want to leave after Solo. Not when EPIX is bound to make money. Leaving on a low note doesn't look good.

    I don't see Disney getting rid of KK in the middle of the trilogy. After EPIX, I guess it's possible, but not before. Some believe that was the plan all along.

    The only way I can see KK leaving is if it's a personal choice because all the negativity has really gotten to her. But I think she's got thicker skin than that.

    As for me, I'm not sure if I want her to go. I didn't like TLJ at all, but it's one movie and with a Christmas miracle, maybe can be fixed in EPIX. I honestly don't know who can possibly take on her job.

    That being said, if she left, I would give whoever replaces her the benefit of the doubt for 2-3 movies or so. EPIX wouldn't really count since it's already mostly done. My optimism and curiosity would go up in the hopes of getting something I may enjoy. I wouldn't rejoice, but I'd be optimistic.

    I think I'd see her leaving as a positive, but I'd be really afraid of who takes her place. I just hope KK isn't surrounded by an echo chamber and figures out what the issue is and makes the necessary steps to fix them. I haven't given up on her and I don't think everything she's done is bad, but I also want better.
     
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    Good post. People refer to Star Wars as a franchise and I think that obscures the fact that it was the personal vision of one idiosyncratic film maker that strangely became enormously popular. It makes it a hard act to continue.
     
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    With all due respect, you're doing exactly what you accuse others of doing. You want Kennedy to stay so you write "Disney is very happy with her." You have no idea whatsoever whether Disney is happy with Kennedy so you are stating "facts" which merely confirm your own projections, hopes and speculations. While my opinion on this matter is well-established, here is a completely unbiased take on the matter:

    Kennedy's first 2 movies were hits, no doubt. There was a movie which alienated a certain degree of fans but was still a financial success - albeit slightly lower than anticipated. There was a movie that was a financial failure, especially in terms of how Star Wars movies are expected to perform. Merchandising is down significantly.

    Here is what is happening behind the scenes at Disney... They are evaluating 5 major things:
    (1) How much credit does Kennedy deserve for the good?
    (2) How much blame does Kennedy deserve for the bad?
    (3) Over the past 3 years, has the Star Wars brand gotten stronger, gotten weaker or essentially stayed the same?
    (4) Are we currently headed in the direction we want to go with this franchise?
    (5) If the answer to (4) is no, then is Kennedy the best choice to right the ship, or would another option be more suitable?

    Reasonable people can disagree on the answers to most of those questions, the only no-brainer is question (4). I don't see how anyone could even remotely argue Star Wars is currently headed in the right direction so the focus becomes on question (5) regarding whether or not Kennedy is the best choice to get things back on track. Is Iger saying to himself "the reason why those first few movies did so well is because of the brand name and not because of Kennedy; this is a franchise headed in the wrong direction under her leadership and we need to fix things"...? Or is he saying to himself "it's not Kennedy's fault Solo did poorly or her fault that merchandising is down; there are other factors in play which no one could have prevented, she is doing a good job and I have faith things will get better"...?
     
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