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Kathleen Kennedy Leaving Lucasfilm?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by DeakStarkiller, Jun 9, 2018.

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Do you think it is likely Kathleen Kennedy will step down from Lucasfilm?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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    74.1%
  1. Shadowblade

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    Cortesy of @MagnarTheGreat who compiled this below. Seems there's a pattern through all aggregation engines, and also in the non-english speaking world.

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    Now, it would still be feasibly, although extremely time-consuming, to manipulate all of these. It would be more logical to assume that TLJ ticked off a lot of fans for this to happen. Still, being post-reviews, they can not be trusted to give an accurate account, but we can see a definete shift from other movies.

    I would also like to comment that I am convinced this is a "love" or "hate" kinda movie. Just like RJ stated he wanted to make. There's a pattern at amazon, where you can also check out reviews from verified purchasers (unless you think a group of people buy the movies just to be able to rate them badly. It shows the divise pattern I have been suspecting. While the prequels were generally viewed on less favorably, I do not think they were so divisive. Look at the customer reviews compared to other recent movies below. See how they split? This would explain the extreme backlash....

    The Force Awakens: (you can look other SW movies up, they show a similar pattern that are top-heavy in scores)

    Force awakens score amazon.jpg

    The last Jedi: (notice the split with less middle ground. It brings the average down, yes, but the damage could be greater than a movie that is generally considered not optimal like PM...for everyone who abslutely loved it, there's one who really deplored it and might not return to the franchise again)

    Last jedi score amazon.jpg
     
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    I could see KK stepping down after episode 9 is released solely because she just wants to retire and by that point she will have put out 5 movies as President of Lucasfilm and the TV shows will be well on their way as well as the RJ trilogy and the B & W series. She's been in the business for a long time and helped restart this new wave of Star Wars content which has been, for the most part, successful from a financial standpoint. Of course she won't step down unless they have a clear idea of who would replace her which we may get a hint at during Star Wars Celebration Chicago.
     
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    I already uploaded enough graphs, but I think we have been over before the fact that IMDB weighs it's reviews so that they usually aggregate between 6.5-9. I can try to explain that later if you want or post it, yet I am sure it has been debated before. Using IMDB, TLJ would be somewhere between the Phantom menace and Revenge of the Sith, other aggregates rate it lower. My take on it is that you will find more people who love TLJ more than PM/Attack of the Clones...but you will also fin quite a few who rate it as the worst SW movie ever....

    I'd also like to point out again that most SW fans are male....though it should be less skewed than the reviews posted in IMDB. Females probably use less time on YouTube/internet like you said.
     
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    Before this ceaseless tug-of-war repeats itself in yet another thread, I'm going to ask that everyone drop the "People hated TLJ and here are the numbers to prove it" ... "Actually they liked it, look at these numbers" arguments.

    If you want to theorize on Kennedy leaving, do so. If you want to discuss the popular / unpopular perception of TLJ, please find one of 300 other relative threads.
    Thank you.
     
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    It makes sense though why it comes up. The Kennedy haters argument is that half of the fans hate the direction Kennedy is taking the franchise and there's no real data to support the position. Yes, TLJ is more controversial than TFA which was basically a vanilla nostalgia ride that avoided the Luke question. It's not an accident JJ punted that to RJ. The goal in TFA was to make a crowd pleasing film. Look at all the one star reviews. Even if someone didn't like the film is The Last Jedi the worst Star Wars film of all time? No way! It's a comical take, but a tiny minority has to vote that way to get attention.

    The sad part is modern day journalism rewards this type of behavior. It encourages people to brigade online polls and harass producers. Controversy sells... even if it's a fabrication.
     
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    hey... gonna go watch TLJ, you guys have fun wondering when KK is gonna bite it...
     
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    KK is obviously going to leave at some point, so the "haters" are going to have their "victory" either way.
     
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    She's moving beyond a reliance on ad revenue. She started a subscription based Twitch channel a few weeks ago which I doubt is altogether coincidental to the timing of her "exclusive".
     
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    you did better than me, i couldn't get to the end of the article.

    an off topic question here:
    will all the disgruntled fans that apparently boycotted Solo also boycott TCW?
    i already know the answer to that lol, but have fun pondering it anyway :D
     
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    I didn’t get that far thankfully by the sounds of it I only read the article which was more the enough.
     
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    I was wondering the same thing :D

    Probably not, because in the mind of those people: KK has nothing to do with that and it's only DF doing it. #LMFAO
     
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    Yeah, right, nothing at all. Especially because someone with business acumen and negotiating skill had do disconnect The Clone Wars from Cartoon Network and WB, the real reason TCW was cancelled in the first place.
     
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    From the article

    I mean, sounds kinda like an easy problem to fix: they could try to enjoy something for once. I know for me, the Clone Wars announcement hasn't been overshadowed by anything. :)
     
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    Indeed, but that is only the beginning. Finding the funding for the project and getting the approval of Disney, finding an animationstudio who can do the job, .... .

    There are really people out there who think they started this project after the failure of Solo. In reality, they started working on this way over a year ago.
     
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    It is clear Kathleen Kennedy is no longer unilaterally running the show at LFL. Prior to E8, she stated several times (and quite emphatically, no less) that Carrie Fisher was not going to be in E9. This was not a situation where she said things like "well we are keeping all options on the table." She was quite emphatic, and even condescendingly called Todd Fisher "confused" when he said such a thing might happen.

    And now we have an announcement this week which directly contradicts Kennedy's own statements on this very issue. It is a stretch to think she merely changed her mind. Far more believable to say she had her mind changed for her.
     
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    Clearly you have never been in a creative environment! Yes, prior to E8, she stated that TLJ would be Carrie's last film. But that was what every-one was thinking. The only options at that time that where mentioned, where recasting or using CGI (like they did with Tarkin). And it was clear that LFL & Disney wouldn't go that route.

    Carrie being in IX, only became possible because Abrams stepped in and found a way to include her in the story (he spent countless hours in the editing room for TFA, he knows what is cut).

    The only reason she changed her mind, is because JJ offerd a 3th option by using footage of TFA, and that wasn't on the table by that time.
     
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    There's also a tiny little fact that gets forgotten in this discussion - there is no Episode IX. Sure, there is a shooting script and probably some sets and props, but not much more. WE have no idea what Leia's role in IX will be, how much of her will be in the film or if scenes including her will be in the film at all! Besides, that doesn't change the fact that TLJ was the last film of Carrie Fisher. Just because you repurpose footage from an older film it doesn't mean that a particular actor is playing in the new film.
     
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    The fact that they announced it, makes me think that the footage they found, will be in the movie. If they had the slightest doubt about the idea, they would not have included it in the press-release.
     
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