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Kathleen Kennedy Leaving Lucasfilm?

Discussion in 'General Movie Discussion' started by DeakStarkiller, Jun 9, 2018.

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Do you think it is likely Kathleen Kennedy will step down from Lucasfilm?

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. Wolfpack

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    And clearly you have never been in a business environment. When the boss says "XYZ isn't going to happen... XYZ isn't going to happen... XYZ isn't going to happen..." and then XYZ does happen, well it's pretty clear that person isn't really the boss.
    Uh, the reason why "everyone was thinking" Fisher wouldn't be in E9 is because that's what Kennedy told us. You're using circular logic here. We all believed Fisher wasn't in E9 for no other reason than that's what we were told by the LFL president.
    You are just making things up out of thin air here. None of us have the first clue what her role in E9 will be. All we have is a few educated guesses regarding what scenes she filmed and had cut from E7.
    Of course it was. What, do you think this is some new technology invented in the past 6 months?

    Kathleen Kennedy made a decision late last year, and was quite emphatic when she made it. The powers-that-be at Disney overruled her. This speaks volumes.
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    I am not sure what you mean by this. We are all going to see her on screen. Her estate is getting paid. She will be listed in the credits (probably get the prestigious last mention, i.e. "and Carrie Fisher as General Leia Organa.") It will be considered a posthumous performance.

    She will be in E9 the same way Marlon Brando was in Superman Returns, and Superman Returns is listed on every single Brando filmography you can find.
     
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    1. And you clearly never dealt with human's before. People change their mind. People reëvaluate the decisions they made,after they get new information or they get an option that wasn't on the table before. And this also happens in a business-environment. New data changes the decisions that where made earlier.

    2. And we where told that it was the decision they took, after coming to the conclusion they would not recast or use CGI to make a digital Carrie.

    3. No, it isn't new technologie. But do you really think that it was an easy job for JJ te write the screenplay in that way that it will feel natural that the footage they want to use, won't feel forced or won't feel out of place.

    Again, yes she said that Carry would not be in IX, but the only options at the table at that time, was a new actress, or a CGI Carrie. It was JJ who came with the idea to use the footage and apparently they where confident enought that the footage they found could be used in the movie, that KK changed her mind. And again, that is what a good leader does. Not holding on to their own believes or on decisions they made earlier. A good leader will change the narative after they get new information or a new option if they believe it is the best way to go.

    Haha, the powers that be at Disney. There are no reliable sources that support the narrative that Disney (Bob Iger) is unhappy about KK and how she is leading LFL.
     
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    Is there a reason you've decided to become so sarcastic..??
    See here's your problem: The evidence just does not support the above conclusion. She was quite emphatic in her statements. She even condescendingly ridiculed Fisher's brother for suggesting Fisher might be in E9, calling him "confused."

    She didn't change her mind. Someone else changed it for her whether she liked it or not.
    Writing an entertaining screenplay is a very difficult task. However, if we take someone like JJ Abrams who has the talent to write entertaining screenplays, then it will be no more difficult to do so around the restrictions of limited footage of Leia. You know how it will be so easy? Because anytime they need something, they'll just CGI and/or body double it. There really are no restrictions.

    Here's what Disney/LFL is doing, which seems to have fooled quite a bit of people: They know that having a purely CGI Leia would be a PR nightmare. Of all options on the table, it seems to me that one had the most resistance. But they are going to CGI her anyway. Oh sure, it won't be 100% CGI like Tarkin in Rogue One.... but if they need Leia to say something, they will get a voice actor and CGI her lips moving as needed.... if they need her to hug Luke, they will CGI her face on a body double hugging Mark Hamill... Abrams doesn't have as many restrictions as you think because anything Abrams needs will just be CGI'ed into her performance. Then they will make sure there will also be enough "real" Carrie Fisher to allow them to say they (mostly) used old footage.

    Please note that I am not criticizing Disney for making this decision. I think the decision they made was 100% the right one. I am just observing that it is clear Kennedy was overruled since this completely contradicts something she stated several times late last year.
     
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    are we really going to use Carrie Fisher’s name to hurl abuse at Kathleen Kennedy?

    just no.
     
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    If that is what you think is going on here, you need to reread my posts. Nobody is "hurling abuse at Kathleen Kennedy" and I resent the implication.

    It is an undeniable fact that Kennedy stated multiple times, and quite emphatically, that Fisher wouldn't be in E9. It is also an undeniable fact that the announcement of this past week directly contradicts that. Drawing conclusions regarding how we got from Point A to Point B is perfectly valid and it could have a major impact on the GFFA going forward.
     
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    Let alone using a dead person's name, used to further narratives because you didn't like a few movies. That is low.

    People are committed to their narratives even after they're clearly and repeatedly debunked ($1.5B profit from three movies > $50M-$80M loss from one movie that mostly lost money due to production issues and a weak marketing campaign), and with the rise of echo-chambers it becomes harder and harder to reason with them. The idea that they couldn't have changed their mind about a specific idea mid-development, and at the time when a completely different director was working on the project, is laughable.

    Even more laughable is the idea that the TCW revival hasn't been in development for years, and that it was immediately done as a reaction to one movie flopping and another movie being divisive (a movie that they fully expected would cause some division within the fanbase going in, BTW). To get a two-minute animated trailer alone is something that would take months to animate and fully-render requires months to actually pull off. Dave Filoni got promoted to head of animation years ago for a reason.
     
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    ... meybe time fer this thread to get Locked Up ?
     
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    my comment was based on where i think the conversation was 'going', which is why i didn't quote you. apologies if my post has upset you in any way.

    There is another thread going on currently where some members are actually arguing over whether or not Billie Lourd agreed to her mother's unused scenes from TFA being used in episode 9 just for financial reasons.

    'lacking class' is the political way for me to describe how i feel about these posts. how i really feel wouldn't get past the filters.

    i wish it was laughable bro. TCW is a monster of a production and internally it probably wasn't ever 'cancelled'. Someone recently (and i can't find it ahhh!) said that the cancellation may purely have been a TV rights decision for the purposes of streaming it on their own service.. but i don't understand such things so that may be utter poodoo.

    using Carrie's name to fuel arguments is something i didn't expect to see despite what's happened since December. i'm beyond shocked.
     
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    It was probably me, The Clone Wars used to be on Cartoon Network so distribution rights were with Warner Bros. Someone (probably Kennedy herself and Disney legal team) had to untangle TCW so that Disney can distribute it themselves. The distribution rights were reason for cancellation in the first place. Even with some pre-existing work done, the revamping of the show (we see completely new models) takes years. Dave Filoni became creative head of animation in 2016 - long before TLJ and Solo. So, unless Disney had precognition of 'backlash', saving The Clone Wars was always in the books.
     
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    yes! thank you @LadyMusashi. wasn't sure if i was making that up as i typed it lol.. thought i'd seen someone say it. :D
     
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    You are 100% out of line for this comment, sir. Last week's announcement was a major reversal from the policy announced by the President of LFL. There is nothing "low" about speculating what is going on behind the scenes at LFL and how we got from multiple emphatic statements from the President of the studio that Fisher would not be in E9 to the current situation following last week's announcement.

    Nobody is dishonoring Fisher's memory because this isn't even about Fisher herself. It is about the fact that LFL did a abrupt 180 degree reversal from their previously announced policy. I am speculating as to how that decision came about. Reasonable minds can respectfully disagree, but it is not completely out of the realm of possibility to suggest that Kennedy was overruled by her superiors. There is no need to levy personal attacks.
     
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    Considering that Bob Iger has consistently been confident in her decisions, I think it's way more likely that J. J. Abrams, Chris Terrio, and Carrie Fisher's estate had good ideas about how they could fit her into the story that Kathleen Kennedy was ultimately good with than Iger mandating that Kennedy absolutely had to include footage that they had already filmed.

    Bear in mind, the whole "we're not using any footage of Carrie in Episode IX" thing came while Colin Trevorrow's second, Leia-free version of his script was being written, which was well over a year ago. The one that led to Lucasfilm trying to rewrite it in an attempt to salvage it before ultimately firing that version of the crew before throwing a bunch of money at J. J. Abrams and the rest.
     
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    I imagine when KK reads that people wants her fired, she goes like:

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