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Killing the EU was brilliant, legally

Discussion in 'Rogue One' started by Rift Chasm, Feb 25, 2016.

  1. Rift Chasm

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    I really enjoyed The New Jedi Order. I read every book from the first to the last. It got kind of crazy towards the end but all in all it was pretty cool. But if new stories are to be filmed and they want to go a different direction, even if it were the slightest they have to go. Goodbye EU my old friend.
     
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    Can you explain what this Star Trek report has to do with killing the EU? Those are totally different situations that in no way justifies why Disney destroyed the EU other than they wanting to establish everything their own. The Star Trek problem was about fans making a movie but Disney had no such problems with the EU as it all was theirs. If the authors of the EU had rights to their characters then there Disney could have a problem as they would have to have permits from Timothy Zhan to use Grand Admiral Thrawn, Mara Jade and his other characters but being that every single character created for the EU automatically passed to being the property of Lucas, then there was no need to get rid of anything as it all went to Disney when they bought SW and they could do as they pleased.
     
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    It was brilliant because then they could revamp it into any form they want!
     
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    Yeah it makes more money if they unify everything and the EU wasn't entirely unified and now it has been/is becoming that way .
     
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    ditto!
     
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    The old EU was a disorganized messy mixture of very good but also abysmally bad stories. It's good they ditched it.

    p.s. I like lawyers and jurists.
     
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    Exactly, the news story presented has no bearing whatsoever on LucasFilm's decision to wipe the EU. LucasFilm owns all of those stories in the same way that Marvel owns all of their stories. When Marvel made Captain America: The Winter Soldier, they didn't have to pay a fee to Ed Brubaker, the guy who wrote the original Winter Soldier story. The same goes with LucasFilm, if they choose to use a character like Thrawn for instance, they don't owe any money to Timothy Zahn, the creator of Thrawn. LucasFilm owns the stories that he(and any other creator) wrote for them.

    As for the EU, it simply had to go to allow creative freedom going forward. Additionally, continually publishing stories out of step with the films would be needlessly confusing to casual consumers and fans.
     
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    Agree. In some way I miss some of the treatments for the characters - like Princess Leia coming to terms with her inheritance from Vader - in some others I am glad they took away storylines that I didn't like. At least, they have a clean slate to start over and try to keep some continuity.
     
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    I wouldn't necessarily call it "creative freedom" because they have a very specific set of rules that they have to follow when writing the books now...before, all they had was Lucas simply signing off at the end result or not.
     
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    Oh, I'll agree that the books and other forms of media are more restricted now, I'm mainly referring to the films. I honestly can't imagine LucasFilm telling directors that they can't, say, use Chewbacca in their movie because he died in a novel called Vector Prime that only a very small portion of fans have read.
     
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    Wait what do you mean about that last part?
     
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    Chewie died in the books. If the filmmakers were forced to acknowledge the books, they wouldn't be able to use Chewie. That's just the tip of the iceberg when considering how creatively constraining it would have been for filmmakers going forward if they had to acknowledge the stories told in the EU.
     
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    Is there even an official timeline of events for Legends books?
     
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    Yep, an extremely detailed one as a matter of fact.
     
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    I think that if that had been acknowledged as canon and marketed as such then it wouldn't have been rebooted.
     
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    I totally agree and understand. I think it makes sense (even though I hated to see it go). THere was a plethora books that occurred after ROTJ. In making the sequel, they would have needed to take all that previous information into account so as not to step on any toes. Dropping it freed them up to do what they wanted 30 years later.

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    That is a lot of material they would have need to keep in mind before deciding on the TFA.

    I do believe each book had a timeline at the beginning to show where that particular story fit. The New Jedi Order occurred 21-36 years after ANH which puts TFA in the middle of that series.
     
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    EU is sometimes good sometimes bad. The quality is never consistencent. Still sad about killing the EU though
     
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    It would have been nearly impossible to continue with a good post-ROTJ film saga with the EU existing as canon. There were too many horrible story elements and inconsistencies. Were there some good elements? Of course there were. But there was no real standard or regulation of the canon like we have now.

    Did Disney ditch the EU for better control and ultimately more profit? You bet they did. They're a business. But thankfully, it was also smart and beneficial in that it gave us an actual regulated canon.

    And to everyone saying Disney "killed" the EU, just stop. They didn't kill it. They put it in its own separate category, labelled Star Wars Legends. The EU is still there for all of us to enjoy, and hopefully for the writers and directors of the new canon films to take inspiration from.

    EU wasn't head canon before, and it's not head canon now. It's been given the title of Star Wars Legends. It wasn't "killed."
     
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    I just want to second the two above quoted statements. Also, Lucasfilm encourages and rewards fan films without fear of losing their copyrights.

    Yeah. They even sold essential chronologies, reader companions and comic companions.

    They were and it was. The old system started with a mandate to try conform to the old west end games materials. They tried to keep it consistent and did a pretty good job.

    Things went a little off the rails when lucas started making new materials. Lucas did what he wanted (and he should've) without regard for the EU and it forced a lot of retcons to patch together the story.

    They settled on "teirs" of canon. What Lucas says is the word of god, and the novel/comic people had to work around it.
     
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