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Kylo Ren abilities and future progression ?

Discussion in 'Star Wars: The Force Awakens' started by DarthPlagueis, Dec 12, 2015.

  1. DarthPlagueis

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    Hey guys.
    So I've never whatsoever paid attention to the different Kylo Ren speculations around this website. 'Was to busy speculating on Snoke.

    One thing that is particularly interesting me about new Star Wars character is their level of "power". So naturally, when I look at Kylo Ren, I'm wondering what you guys know about his abilities ?

    It seems like he is already a decent force user, as he was shown using force push and torturing with the force several times in the trailers. And that's all I know pretty much.

    What do you guys think of the efficiency of his lightsaber compared to a more classical one ? What about his martial talents ? Do you think he is a good duellist ? More like an agile Darth Maul, or a ruthless and powerful Darth Vader ?

    And finally : do you think there is room for him to progress and eventually become THE most powerful force user in the trilogy ? Do you think that him being possibly a Skywalker could somehow confirm they're going that way ?

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    A little off-topic, and because I like doing that : let's imagine some fictional battles :

    Kylo Ren vs Luke ( ST )
    Kylo Ren vs Vader ( OT )
    Kylo Ren vs Luke ( OT - Empire Strikes Back )
    Kylo Ren vs Darth Maul

    And... Kylo Ren ( end of ST ) vs Snoke ?

    It's litterally just for fun, but it could be interesting to see how people see Kylo Ren : a real and imminent threat, or a more distant danger who is still growing ?
    Give a percentage representing Kylo Ren's chances of victory. IMO :

    30%
    50%
    80%
    70%
    90% ( really not sure about that ).
     
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    Well, if he has same potential as the Skywalker lot then he should be very powerful at this stage.
    He probably turned to the Dark Side a few years back so that on top of any Jedi training he had under Luke should put him above ROTS Anakin.
    The Dark Side doesn't make you stronger but it does lead to greater power more quickly. So that's how I justify my above statement.

    Kylo Ren vs Luke ( ST ) Dunno, depends on Luke's state.
    Kylo Ren vs Vader ( OT ) 75%
    Kylo Ren vs Luke ( OT - Empire Strikes Back ) 90%
    Kylo Ren vs Darth Maul 70%

    And... Kylo Ren ( end of ST ) vs Snoke ? 0% Plagueis can just respawn.:p
     
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    I think it would be super cool if kylo knocks off snoke.
    Not in a vader-palpatine redemptive moment. But just straight up.

    Snoke has seduced kylo with this image of vader and the past.
    And, this backfires on snoke, of course....
     
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    Oh... so you think Kylo Ren is that powerful ?

    I really hope you're right. How likely is it that Kylo Ren is a skywalker ? Any leak about that yet ?
     
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    I haven't delved too deep into the MF and MSW leaks. I don't want to go in knowing things 100%. But I just think it makes sense that Kylo is a Skywalker/Solo.
    And if he is and IF that means he has the same midichlorian count (have it!) as Anakin, Luke, Leia etc then he simply must be very powerful.
    Sounds like he would've been trained by Luke for a while and then again by Snoke - this would make him very dangerous.
    And like I say, with his turn to the Dark Side comes greater power more quickly. However, this will make him more reckless, less disciplined and thus in that respect vulnerable against someone who has mastered the Force - such as Luke or later on and once trained, Rey.
     
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    Fair enough. I do believe that he is, in a way, the center of Disney's marketing atleast in the villains' side. So that would make sense if he is very powerful and a Skywalker/Solo
     
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    He also leads the KOR and is Snoke's foot soldier so he has to be pretty tough.
     
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    You've never paid attention...you CONTROL KYLO REN .
     
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    Nice one lol. What are your thoughts about the topic mate ? Curious about your opinion on Kylo.
     
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    His abilities are on par with Anakin Skywalker's, except he actually reaches his full scale ability unlike Anakin Skywalker. He is full-on dark side but, as a result, is unsure of himself like Spider-Man in Spider-Man 2 (2004). His progression is his instability in his head that is his struggle between the light side trying to get in and him thinking he is immune to the light...his struggle is completely internal and never saves anyone, and, at the end of IX, he leaves to go off on his own quest to find himself after he leaves the ways of the force and pulls A Skyalker .
     
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    Nice that.

    Can you send me some sources that brought you to make that theory / interpretation ? The way you describe Kylo is very interesting. And I assume you're thinking that Kylo is actually a Solo / Skywalker ?
     
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    I can't send you sources, YA CRAZY...in case it ends up being true . :p And I'm not commenting about him being a solo/Skywalker because everyone has been and I'm sick of it lol. But I will say this : my belief is that KR has no idea who his dada is, and, IF he is A Solo, he won't find out until VIII (or possibly IX) and that will blast with his head .
     
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    Kylo vs ST Luke 20%
    Kylo vs. OT Vader 25 ANH, 30 ESB, 35 ROTJ
    Kylo vs. Darth Maul 33%

    Will not comment on last matchup because I do not have a good understanding of Snoke's power.... Sequel trilogy Luke is suppossed to have surpassed all so I gave his rumored nephew a generous 20% in a 1:1 fight obviously the help of the KOR. Increases his chances..I gave him a baseline 25% chance against OT Vader increasing his chances 5% per,movie accounting for gramps aging and decrease in power and his increase. Darth Maul was the hardest to guess but I think him being more polished and an apprentice of Palps is a decent advantage so I went 33% giving Kylo basically 1 in 3 odds.
     
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    Wow, that's quite a difference here.
     
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    Forgot ESB Luke 75% for Kylo in that fight. I'm in the minority I think the Skywalker blood and darkside gives Kylo lots of raw power but not good command of the Force. Something of a Sith padawan if you will. I think any well trained Force user on either side can still whip his butt on most days plus he's,never tested his,mettle against another Force user..which is why the fight in TFA may not go as planned for him. Slaughtering villagers is one thing another Force user even an untrained one is another.
     
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    I'll
    Also say this: The Skywalker Bloodline WREAKS of The Dark Side of the Force and is up to the host body to take up the legacy .
     
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    Think of the beating Luke took in ESB, he had youth anger some training from the Grandmaster and he was no match for his aging have cyborg father. He got beaten by experience and smarts. I think Kylo would have similar issues...
     
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    Just tell me he doesn't go off and join up with the Avengers and I'm good.
     
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    Will you kill me if I said that he joins Mickey Frellig Mouse ?
     
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    I compare the Kylo Ren character to the Rene Belloq character from the classic action hit: Raiders of the Lost Ark(1981).
    Belloq was a wealthy French archeology/treasure hunter much like Dr Indiana Jones. He aligned himself with the Nazis to expedite his goal of finding the powerful "Ark of the Covenant".
    Belloq was insane with power & greed which in the end led to his downfall.
    Larry Kasdan wrote both screenplays.

    TFM
    (boba fett)
     
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