Kylo Ren and Rey lightsaber fight....Did you like it???

I rather enjoyed it. I know a lot of people think that Rey should have lost, but Kylo Ren's injury combined with his emotional state that made me at least suspend disbelief.
To me, this is the best fight since at least the end of Jedi. First of all, the atmosphere is great. There's this bleak, primal tone to the scene that *looks* beautiful on screen. It heightens the emotional content of the scene, making things seem much more desperate. You feel cold, alone, and a little scared- like I imagine Rey felt. This goes back to one of the film's biggest strengths- visual storytelling. Storytelling isn't just about advancing the plot, it's also about giving the audience an experience. You go through the feelings that the characters go through.

And that's another quality of this scene- the *emotional* ride it gives you. I love that Kylo Ren is in this awkward head space- it makes his actions more unpredictable and scarier. He just killed Han, then he looks like he might have killed Finn, and things are looking pretty bad as he attempts to force pull Luke's lightsaber- until it whizzes right past his head and into Rey's hand in the most triumphant moment in the film. It's not done yet- Rey, who just witnessed him kill her mentor and almost kill her friend, now has to deal with this guy herself. It's not an elegant battle between two jedi masters, it's an all out brawl between an emotionally unstable sith in training and a scavenger just coming into her own power.

 

No, I didn't like it. One, Rey had no experience with a lightsaber. Spare me the "strong with the Force" argument. Both she and Finn needed training with a lightsaber in order to really confront Ren. And two, Ren could have easily killed her without resorting to a duel. In fact, why on earth did he even bother dueling with Rey and Finn in the first place? He could have killed both of them so easily. Chewie didn't wound him that badly.

 

I feel the same way about the duel. There should not have been one to begin with and the whole thing just seemed forced (no pun intended) and cheesey. It was just cringe worthy to me and the theories and hypotheses used to explain it just make the whole thing even stranger. The whole lightsaber becoming sentient and choosing Rey over Kylo seems less like Star Wars and more like Harry Potter with the whole "the wand chooses you concept". The characters conveniently developing and forgetting abilities to make this awkward scene possible just completely took me out of the movie. Unlike the OT and the PT the whole thing was not justified. In the Original Trilogy none of the OG Jedi/Sith utilized their full power and In the Prequel Trilogy the Jedi/Sith were living in a time were one had to utilize all there power and available teachings in the Force.

 

When you watch the fight between Kylo and Finn again, you'll see with fresh eyes where Finn actually had a shot (possibly) at killing Kylo. Right after Finn hit Kylo in the shoulder, Kylo stumbled and turned his back to Finn and hunched over; Finn paused. Right there Finn could have ended it IMO, but given the totality of the situation, I think Finn was just catching his breath. Soon after, Kylo finishes Finn off, with that amazing upward slice to the back, incredible and brutal.

 

Best scene, it's debatable.
The visual was good, but it was a wrong decision to put a scene like this into the movie, in my opinion.
Rey is not a Jedi, not even a pupil.
I know the argument that will be used in my case:
"Luke or whoever left her on Jakku for whatever reason, she was already a Jedi at the age of 8 and got her mind wiped out"
That's why she is able to pull off this Jedi stuff. - c'mon folks it's ridiculous (just think about it for a minute)
To be honest they dropped the ball with this exaggerated flawless character, but I'am curious how they will try to save it in the upcoming movies.

Sarcasm Alert:
Why does she visits Luke, I guess she is already superior in every aspect.
Rey: Hello Luke, I want you to become my first old man pupil.
Luke: As you wish my Master, but beware my back hurts sometimes.

Truth Alert:
The males in Star Wars are portrayed as dumb, because they need to train years to get better at specific territories.
As female you don't need to put years of effort to be good at things and you can effortless beat a man double your weight/size.
Young females get a wrong conception put in theirs minds.

 

interestingly, it goes to show how seriously Kylo Ren takes the fight (not at all). though i suppose he's got his sixth sense to tell him that Finn's not following through and he can take that moment to recoup.

 

i liked it. he was stuggling.

 

i liked it very much, had a realism to it lacking in any of the other ones.
I think kylo was taking it bit easy on her at first, trying to asses how powerful she was "she's beginning to test her power" then he tried to convert her, but she realised she could draw on the force herself.
up until that point, what she even knows about the force is debatable, we only know that han said its all true, the tales of the jedi, with brief mention of a force. we don't know what that actually meant to her.
Then she whupped him lol.

 

I did enjoy it, Finn never stood a chance but Rey gives a showdown when she grabbed the lightsaber from, I was saying on my first viewing ''go on Rey, take it to him'' it was good that they covered some ground rather than fighting in one spot, I had hoped trees would have been thrown around but I guess they are not that powerful yet but in the end a great duel, a draw was expected.

 

Aside from it being too short and Kylo not sustaining as many injuries as I'd have liked (The ******* killed Han Solo!!) I loved it, I would have liked a few more far shots as well, as cool as it is to see the fight from a characters perspective if you're not 100% concentrating on the film you can miss how certain attacks and riposte's went down, the whole scene is captivating but with my nerd hat on I honestly feel like I couldn't tell you how good any of those characters were with a light saber compared to the previous duelists in the saga. But like with every other criticism of the film, I feel I'm being nitpicky, it certainly lived up to my expectations

 

Dont think of it as that she is not a Jedi. Before the fight scene she was called to something in Maz's place. The lightsaber was calling to her as she encountered the voices and visions. She thought it was all a myth. So she was told these stories of the jedi. She is force sensitve and knowning that its real and seeing the lightsaber and knowing about luke it made her grab the lightsaber from Kylo. Jedi was a group that used the force and used lightsabers as weapons. in the OT the lightsaber wasnt the first thing used as the force, Darth Vader forced choked. then luke learn the ways of the force after knowing more about the Jedi/force. So im saying, to me that was a good scene cause I didnt think she was going to do that. I thought Kylo was gonna take it.

 

Rey Vs Kylo was by far the most meaningless light saber duel of them all.

Which made Dooku vs CGI Yoda seem like ESB Luke vs Vader by comparison.

 

I think that he build up and then what happened was sort of underwhelming for me .

 

Favorite part of the whole movie! And that picture is my wallpaper!

 

The whole movie was underwhelming.
It does not feel like a successor of ROTJ in my opinion. (it's not a real follow up/sequel to ROTJ)
I don't like to say it, but the ST should have been made in the late 80's or early 90's. (or never)
Sometimes it's better to leave something untouched.

I predict that butthurt fanboys will show up and will dislike my post, because they can't handle the truth.

 

I think JJ did a good job with what he had but his direction in that fight scene was nice in the sense of its rawness in pure emotion but it should have been way more intense AND closer to Anakin vs. Obi-Wan in ROTS with the build-up they did with Rey .

 

I never really liked that fight, Obi Wan vs Anakin. It was too choreographed and too unrealistic, especially the way they transversed their duelling space. Rey/Finn vs Kylo was much more realistic: the way they fought made sense and it was still twice as dynamic as anything we've seen in the original trilogy. Whereas the fights in the original trilogy were often too choreographed and too slow in execution but did have a deep emotional and storytelling dimension. The prequel fights were also too choreographed but also way too fast to make them believable and the moment when emotional or storytelling dimensions were involved they fel flat because the prequel dialogue in those duels was so out of place.

In some manner, the choreographers for TFA have found a middle ground which preserves the emotional strength of the OT fights and even enhances it, but also preserve some of the dynamic nature of the prequel fights. The fact that any sword expert can actually understand how and why Rey, Finn and Kylo fight the way they do tells enough I think. Best sabre duel!

 

I loved it completely. Unlike the prequel trilogy where it looks cool and they fly around and all that, this fight was down to ear- um Starkiller Base and was gritty and emotional impact. Rey's awakening to the force in that scene gave me nerd chills. I give that fight a 9.5/10. I wish it was a little longer but that's me having selfish reasons and doesn't really change my view on the fight itself.