Kylo Ren and Rey lightsaber fight....Did you like it???

yeh I agree, especially as he turned while really trying to preserve the Jedi code, which would have prevented Mace Windu from killing a unarmed defeated opponent.

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yes, not overly choreographed, felt very real with the interaction with the snow particles. it was great.

 

I really liked the lightsaber duel between Rey and Kylo. It had me on the edge of my seat just like I hoped it would.

 

My heart was pounding throughout the encounter, I can hear fans near faintly saying, '' go on take that sith to school'' I had to explain we didn't know if the sith was involved in this.

 

The lightsaber duel was awesome, I liked the setting, the combat and the visuals. The duel felt so hard, more rough than in the other movies. Hopefully they stick with that kind of combat for the rest of the ST.

 

I remeber reading somewhere a while back that George Lucas originally envisioned Lightsabers as massively heavy/powerful so that you had to keep two hands on them at all time to deal with the energy/power. That they were like wielding Excaliber.
I think they nailed that with this fight, specifically Kylo's fighting style (even though theirs a bunch of one handed sword work)
The setting was perfect and felt real, it wasn't a big open space, things got in the way. That's what made ESB fight good for me, was the moving through a location.
While on the subject of TFA saber fights. the first kill Finn does at Maz's, where he sticks it though a stormtroopers back. I love that moment, it sums up Light Sabers in TFA to me. This is a bunch of people who have never fought with a lightsaber, Finn's move then was so not a jedi move and so not a sith move. He was just some guy stabbing a big laser sword though another guy. I like that a lot.

Visually it was great. Reminded me of crouching tiger hidden dragon a bit, and Kurosawa's film's of course. Really strong aesthetics, which is a shame because the rest of TFA was generic as far a scenery. so this really stood out.
I hated the ground breaking apart. it was just not good. However as an actual saber fight goes Finn vs Rey vs Kylo Ren is probably my favourite. As a sequence (removed from the film) its still really good. However I do think Phantom Menace, with the music and red laser gates is as good, possibly better. I never found the saeer fight in TPM to be as over the top as the other prequels and I stand by the fact its an incredible fight scene, and if we hadn't seen it back then we'd still be asking to see full powered force users in a fight.

Oh also i know it was a cheap shot on Obi wan's part, but he beat Maul in the same way Rey beat Kylo, force aided bad-ass.
Also, seeing as the Knights of Ren don't have lightsabers, I actually doubt Kylo Ren had ever fought in lightsaber combat. He probably was the only person in the galaxy with one (other than Luke Skywalker) so he probably never had any actual experience duelling. Just chopping up unarmed opponents, people seem to forget that.
I'd put his skill level around ESB, maybe even ROTJ Luke as far as lightsaber duels are considered. and Luke at that time with a hole blown out of him would have sucked in a fight, he finds fighting jabba's henchmen on the sale barge hard enough.
So its no wonder Kylo didn't win. He's not a machine, hes not Vader and I think that's the point.

 

I loved it, wasn't to much dancing around like a few fights from the prequels but this is my second favourite

 

Yes, I liked it very much, and I think it's one of the best SW duels ever.

They understood that a duel is like a dialogue between characters, and then they made a duel in which two characters try to kill each other, failing and rising again. In the prequel trilogy, apart from Maul vs Obi/Qui Gonn and Ani vs Obi, there were no great duels, just... people swooshing their saber around. TFA had a great duel, which was beautiful to see and also set an important relationship between two pivotal characters. I think it is in the second place of my favourite SW duels.

 

My concern about the Kylo Ren/Rey duel is that they sort of "gave away the store."

Luke didn't even fight Vader in IV, and then he fought and lost in V. Then he fought and won in VI.

But now Rey has already fought Kylo and won, all in VII - I don't know where they can go from here other than taking a step backward.

What can they do for VIII? They fight again and Rey loses? (A step backward) Maybe Luke fights Kylo? (A step backward if this is now supposed to be Rey's story)

 

I think you look at the fight centering too much your visual on Rey. What if the one who have to make a "step forward" was Kylo?

 

I guess I would concede that my point of view depends on rooting for the "good guy" - but I don't really feel like that's a bad thing.

 

good point.

add to that is the fact that Rey was clearly at one with the force.. a powerful ally

her opponent was in a right old state.. firstly he had orders from Snoke to bring her to him (so he wouldn't try and kill her), secondly he was an emotional wreck (just killed his father and probably didn't know if he was kylo or ben at that point) and thirdly... he had a hole where a perfectly good kidney used to be.

Kylo was definitely not at his best... or worst depending on how you look at it.

 

So I was not around on SWNN when TFA came out. I lurked before and after TLJ release and joined up shortly after TLJ release. So wasnt around to discuss this.

I am responding to this thread because of a lengthy waste of time on twitter with someone going on and on how terrible the lightsaber battle is because Kylo should have been able to walk right up and take out Rey like she was a child.

So was wondering what people think of this. I thought JJ did a great job telling us throughout TFA why what happened was plausible. JJ had multiple scenes that showed how powerful Chewie's bowcaster is. Then he had Chewie shoot Kylo with it right after Han was killed by Kylo. This badly wounded Kylo and JJ showed this by having him meet up with Rey and Finn and showing a pool of blood at Kylo's feet. Then to show that the wound was bothering Kylo he had Kylo pound on the wound because of the pain.

So what do people think wasnt that the bowcaster and wounding Kylo with it all for the purpose of making the battle plausible. Not to mention using a staff as Rey's personal defense device so that we understood how she is used to hand to hand combat with a melee weapon.

Thoughts? Am I off my gourd?

 

I was a huge fan of TFA, but this was the one scene that never sat well with me in 2015 (I figured it would be explained in the next movie, but I still have no idea how Rey's gets these great powers without any training).

Here is my problem with the Lightsaber Battle, Kylo Ren is clearly beating Rey for the first part of the battle (so obviously Chewy's Bowcaster didn't injure him that bad). Once he mentions the force to her, something clicks in her and she becomes a machine and takes down Kylo Ren within a minute. How did Rey know to channel the Force (and the darkside) to overpower Kylo during the 2nd part of the battle? It never made sense to me then (but I let it slip because I figured it would be explained later), and still makes no sense to me. The same goes with her doing the Jedi Mind Trick earlier in the movie, as how is she doing anything without even knowing about the Force?

 

it wasn't a fight Kylo wanted.. or was even trying to win.

He was almost mortally injured, he had just pushed his light saber through his own father in cold blood in front of them, he was fascinated with Rey.. and to top it all off was under orders from Snoke to bring Rey to him. in short.. Kylo was mentally... gone.

it twists my noodles that people think that he actually lost to Rey.

he could have killed them before they even saw him in the forest. injured or not.. he could have pulled them apart using the force and not even drawn his light saber.

whether it was shame, embarrassment.. whatever.. he just couldn't let them leave. why did he toy with them both during the light saber fights? because he didn't have a clue in hell what he was doing.

he was never EVER going to kill Rey, and had he killed Finn then he would have lost even more respect from her (possibly why he knocked her out at the beginning by throwing her into the air).

what was he thinking about when he confronted them? I just murdered my father
during the Finn battle? I just murdered my father
during the Rey battle? I just murdered my father

it's truly fascinating that people are trying to see him as the master villain that should have slaughtered Rey and Finn and shouldn't have been injured by Finn or "bested" by Rey. there was so much more going on there. so much more

 

I did it brought back the Rawness of The OT

 

To me the moment was when she just gave herself to the Force. I also believe unlike Luke at the beginning of ANH Rey knew about the Force. She just had no idea that she had any ability to tap into it. That changed when Kylo tried to extract out the location of Luke from her mind. She fought back and infact was able to use the Force to look into Kylo's mind. That lead to the mind trick and then during the battle she realized her only chance was to give herself to the Force.

 

I can buy that argument, but I still had a problem with her outright beating Kylo. I think it would have worked better if she started channeling the Force, and had no idea how to control it. That would have set up an interesting arc with Rey in that she has this great Force Power she has no idea how to control because she had never had any real training. Anakin had the best training, but gave into the darkside because of his fear of loss. Luke had some training, and gave into the darkside because of his fear for his friends. Rey had no training and she could give into the darkside at any moment.

 

Snoke wanted Kylo to get the girl and bring her back. His intentions were just that but then to have her as an apprentice as well.

 

I just take it is that he was already exhausted when the fight began. Getting progressively weaker as he continued to bleed. Once Rey let the Force guide her he just could no longer push off the pain, weekness and effectively fight. Without him being badly wounded to start and the fight is moments and done. More like what happened to Rey when she 1st met Kylo.

 

I loved the fight. Best since TPM.